[Ansteorra-archery] How old?

Bob Dewart gilli at hot.rr.com
Sat May 1 10:18:10 PDT 2004


My Goodness they're kids?  200 and 177 are a bit more than respectable.
Good shootin'

Well, I'm going to take a look at it.  I think a fresh approach might help a
bit.

Gilli
The more arrows you loose, the more that can hit GOLD.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Pearcy" <dpearcy at telusplanet.net>
To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra"
<ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 10:42 AM
Subject: RE: [Ansteorra-archery] How old?


> We do not run with a specific set of youth rules. Our requirements are:
> 1. a parent/guardian must observe several fighter practices before giving
> their permission for their child's involvement
> 2. a parent/guardian must sigh a waiver for each practice the child
attends
> 3. a parent/guardian must sign the fighter card
> 4. the Principality EM or designate must sign off on the fighter card
> 5. once the fighter card is in place we strongly encourage the youth
fighter
> to send away for a membership (blue card)
> 6. local to Avacal and specifically in the Shire of Vinjar... we start
them
> in CA and place them under an experienced fighter's care and guidance.
These
> children become Pages.
>
> This system works for us as our mundane laws are not as restrictive. Our
two
> experienced youth fighters Lucius and Ursa are excellent on the war field
> and have respectable IKCAC scores. We have had three other youth fighters
go
> through this system. They are now of legal age and fighting heavy ... gone
> to the "Dark Side" as we say.
>
> YIS
>
> Deicyn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ansteorra-archery-bounces at ansteorra.org
> [mailto:ansteorra-archery-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of Bob Dewart
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:13 PM
> To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] How old?
>
>
> It seems the folks in An Tir may be a bit more progressive in their
> thinking.
>
> Would it be possible for you to send us a copy of your Youth rules and how
> your Kingdom does it?  Perhaps, with some modifications, it could be made
to
> work here.  That is if the "Powers That Be" want it to.
>
> Gilli
> The more arrows you loose, the more that can hit GOLD.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Pearcy" <dpearcy at telusplanet.net>
> To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra"
> <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:20 PM
> Subject: RE: [Ansteorra-archery] How old?
>
>
> > You make CA accessible to Youth Combat Archers, they will come. I
> recruited
> > three more last night at fighter practice. In our Shire alone, we have 6
> ...
> > and they bring their friends! This results in a healthy, sustainable
> > population.
> >
> > Deicyn
> > Shire of Vinjar, Principality of Avacal, An Tir
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ansteorra-archery-bounces at ansteorra.org
> > [mailto:ansteorra-archery-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of Bob Dewart
> > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 7:08 PM
> > To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
> > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] How old?
> >
> >
> > That's what I'm talking about.  Why can't we change that???
> >
> > It seems simple enough.  For this "category" of Youth Combat Archers,
this
> > is the procedure.  Then we have a procedure that is taylored for the
> youth.
> > Yes, of course the adult would be an authorized fighter, there'd be a CA
> > marshal.  At no time did I say anything about the kids getting shot at.
> So
> > much for geting brusied in this state.
> >
> > Plus I do not believe they make a non contact, combat archer only go
> through
> > the same fighter authorization as a front line sword and board fighter.
> >
> > None of that is the problem.  The problem comes in from the Catch 22
that
> > the marshallate has impossed on itself.
> >
> > If the system was changed just a little to acomadate this, we might find
a
> > host of combat archers.
> >
> > Gilli
> > The more arrows you loose, the more that can hit GOLD.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Eadric Anstapa" <eadric at scabrewer.com>
> > To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra"
> > <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 7:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] How old?
> >
> >
> > > Bob Dewart wrote:
> > >
> > > >So, where's the legal issue in making them non contact combat
archers?
> > > >Fighting wise all they need to know is how to kurl up if they have
to.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > We should NEVER imply that "Fighting wise all they need to know is how
> > > to kurl up if they have to."  There is more to an authorization than
> > > that and you know it.
> > >
> > > In Ansteorra everyone on the field must be prepared to take a blow.  A
> > > red pheon is not a guarantee that you will never get hit.  Non-contact
> > > participants get hit all the time by accident.
> > >
> > > Bottom line is that in Texas and many other states there are many
> > > activities where Minors do not participate with adults because of
legal
> > > and liability issues.
> > >
> > > Even if they were restricted to non-contact participation the could
> > > still get shot.  All it takes is one adult deciding that the minor has
> > > been put in harms way and they can sue on behalf of that child.
> > >
> > > Combat arrows leave bruises.  I have seen Baldar Blunts leave bad
> > > bruises. A coach or teacher that sees bad bruises on a child are often
> > > obligated to report it and have it investigated
> > >
> > > >Archery wise they can shoot all day long at IKCAC targets or adult
> > fighters
> > > >that want the practice.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Kids can shoot at IKCAC targets all they want.  That is target
archery.
> > >
> > > A person in armor in NOT a "target".  The moment you shoot at a real
> > > person in armor (which is what I assume you mean by "adult fighter")
it
> > > becomes Combat Archery  and everyone involves need to be properly
> > > authorized.  That means that the person in armor has got to be combat
> > > authorized, the person doing the shooting has got to have a CA
> > > authorization, and you gotta have a CA marshal present.  Since kids
> > > can't be CA authorized or on the same combat field as the adults ya
> > > can't do that.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > --
> > >
> > > HL Eadric Anstapa
> > > Ansteorra
> > > eadric at scabrewer.com
> > >
> > >
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