[Ansteorra-archery] Greetings....I need some help from someone in the Military

[Doug Copley]

I am sorry for the feelings that are being irritated and possibly hurt 
by the question that was asked. I believe that there is a 
misunderstanding of the question and the intent of what was being asked 
and for that I apologize:-(

The intent was not meant as using the Special Forces flash, their 
distinctive green beret, any type of military rank, or using any type of 
background with the arrows that is used by the Special Forces. The 
e-mail was only talking about using two crossed arrows which is a 
generic emblem.

As a combat veteran myself, the son of a life time member of the 
Disabled American Veterans, and father of a prior military member, I can 
say that none of us have any problems with it.

Lance has already said that he will look for another avenue. As a group 
of avid archers, crossed arrows have always been, and always will be, a 
part of our history and is one of the many emblems used by archers to 
denote our area of expertise and passion.

I believe in the military and am proud of all those who have served and 
are currently serving in the military and am proud to be able to include 
my father, uncles, brothers, cousins, son, and my own service and I 
would never want to do anything that would be against their spirit or 
honor. I wish all of them safe tours and a happy return home to their 
family.

YIS,
Vincenti da Murano

Mike Wyvill wrote:
> As the father of an active duty Infantry sergeant, I can tell you his 
> opinion of wearing that.
>  
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> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:46:02 -0700
> From: donnchadh at cornelius.norman.ok.us
> To: ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Greetings....I need some help from 
> someone in the Military
> 
> I believe that the emblem Lance was talking about is just two arrows in 
> saltier.  Not a specific badge or emblem that is specific to Special 
> Forces.  Yes they are used by the Special Forces, but they have been in 
> use for centuries before that for other purposes as well.  He was just 
> trying to find a ready source of the emblem.
> 
> Now if he wanted wear the emblem on an Army uniform, that would be 
> completely different.  Then again, it wouldn't matter if you wore a 
> white or red belt outside of an SCA setting either.  Context is important.
> 
> To sum up, I don't see any disrespect using something as generic as two 
> crossed arrows outside of a US Military setting.
> 
> Baron Donnchadh
> 
> 
> Eadric Anstapa wrote:
> 
>     I am with Karl.  I think is is somewhat disrespectful to wear a
>     badge worn by special forces officers, and intended for special
>     forces officers, unless you have been a special forces officer.
> 
>     To me its kinda like if you went around wearing a White Bracer on
>     your arm and you weren't a member of the Order.  I would be annoyed
>     at someone who did that.
> 
>     Or better yet, if you decided to wear a Red Bracer, a Red Belt, and
>     a Red Scarf.   Those items aren't "official" or protected by our
>     kingdom law.  We simply customarily use them to mean something that
>     is very special to those that wear them.  We honor those people who
>     very carefully consider who they will give those customary insignia
>     to by keeping to those customs and traditions and allowing them to
>     remain special.  Why not honor those who have served our country in
>     the special forces similarly?
> 
>     Regards,
> 
>     -EA
> 
>     Chuck Kaun wrote:
> 
>         I am not sure how picky they are, but when I was active, if you
>         wanted some of the special stuff, you had to prove you deserved
>         it.  Unless you know any officers in the special forces, most
>         Joe's wont be able to buy it in a PX.  
>          
>         And to tell the truth, why not find an artist who can make stuff
>         like that?  Its kinda disrespectful to have those things if you
>         havent earned them.
>          
>         Karl T.
> 
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>         From: huntsmanlance at cox.net <mailto:huntsmanlance at cox.net>
>         To: ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org
>         <mailto:ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
>         Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 14:06:56 -0600
>         Subject: [Ansteorra-archery] Greetings....I need some help from
>         someone in the Military
> 
> 
>         *Hi all, we are looking for the brass crossed arrows pin that is
>         used by the Army Special Forces Officer. Here is a link to the
>         site I found that has the cheapest price and quantity ……..
>         **_http://www.priorservice.com/arspfoofba.html_*
>         *The price at $5.00 a pin isnt bad but I thought maybe one of
>         our members who Serve could check their local base and see if
>         they could be bought at a lower price.*
>         *If someone finds anything please e-mail me at
>         huntsmanlance at cox.net <mailto:huntsmanlance at cox.net>*
>         *Thanks!*
>         *Lance*
> 
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