[Ansteorra-archery] Survival of Combat Archery

[Richard Threlkeld]

Sort of like in football, your commands only need to be understood by your
archers and maybe the commanders of the other groups on your side. So "12,
54, hike" might mean everyone move to the right and shoot to the left. They
know *something* is happening and can see a gathering of archers, but they
don't know what they are doing or what the "do it now" command will be.

In service,
Caelin on Andrede

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Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Survival of Combat Archery

Heilsa,

To make this work, then you or someone will be yelling out commands - 
which everyone will be able to heard and understand, on both sides!

This has always been one of the major flaws in archers gathering in a 
mass - so commands are yelled out and lo and behold - there is "No 
Surprise."

Been there and done that - and burned the both the T-Shirt and the 
photos! Not worth the effort!


Michael Kettering


Eric Brown wrote:
>
> Caladin Here, That reminds me... 2 things... I wanted to talk to Y'all 
> about.
>
> 1. From what I've gathered by listening, one of His Majesties goals 
> seems to be to minimize the "Drama and whining" at the war, and so the 
> 15 piece of armor rule
> may have been in the nature of an understandably arbitrary attempt to 
> quiet those who complained and argued for no archery in the ravine 
> battle, while still letting our archers get out
> on the field of the ravine battle and kick butt. An unpleasant 
> compromise if you will, who's goal was not realism, or even fairness, 
> but to lessen the drama.
>
> Plus you've I hope you'll agree, all those spear lines with no shields 
> in front that keep happening in the ravine battle are kind of like 
> Christmas morning to good archers  :).
> I know I spent a lot of the battle last year wishing I'd brought my 
> crossbow :)
>
> 2. As General, I've been asked by several archers to think about 
> interesting and different uses for archery, than the standard 30 foot 
> spear/ solo sniper tactics that we've used for so long.
> I've been cogitating about asking the archers to mass up to try 
> something interesting in one specific battle of one of the 
> scenarios... It's not massed indirect fire,
> more like a big mass of skirmishers with rifles in naploeonic warfare, 
> at least that's how I think it'd work in the idea that I have rattling 
> about in my gourd.
>
> I know several of you have mentioned how much you'd like to try massed 
> fire... and while this is not that, it's a step in that direction...So 
> my real question is,
> Would you be interested in the possibility of being pulled together in 
> one place for massed sniper work, once, in one specific battle, if the 
> idea gets approved and agreed to by all involved, etc etc?
>
> I don't want to go into too much detail, but I'd want to gather most 
> or all the archers in a specific place at a specific time early in the 
> battle, and if the enemy does what I hope (a notoriously risky gamble, 
> I admit) there would be a very brief window of utter devastation. Then 
> you'd' all be free to run off and rejoin your units, move, or whatever 
> you wanted to do... The downside of the Gamble being that if they 
> don't do what I hope, you'll have wasted 5-10 min of your time ( and 
> not being available for doing any counter archer fire), and then have 
> to move to a new location or re-join yout units with nothing to show 
> for it. You would not be being left out exposed to be destroyed, in 
> case you were worried about that..
>
> This idea is not fully formed, nor has it been discussed with anyone 
> except y'all, but I wanted to see if you thought it might be fun to 
> take the gamble before I bothered talking to anyone else about it.
>
> If Y'all saw it as the moral equivalent of taking all the knights and 
> making a super unit, theirby depriving all the units of their best 
> assets, then I'd drop the idea entirely.
>
> What do Y'all think? Does that sound like fun?
>
> Caladin-
> Generalisimo.
>
>
> Mike Wyvill wrote:
>> Sir Guy, Honorable Lords and gentles all,
>>  
>> I absolutely understand that our knights by and large support CA. And 
>> all Ansteorran archers should as well. Sir Lyonel has posted to the 
>> SCA Missile Combat list supporting us, I know personally of Duke 
>> Aaron and Duke Ulsted and their support. Sir Alexis has crossbowmen 
>> in his Blue Company so of course not all knights in or out of this 
>> Kingdom oppose archery. And I did not post to the list to stir up 
>> trouble. I just think we need to get an idea of our numbers so that 
>> we can come up with effective tactics for the ravine.
>>  
>> The Midrealm has declared for Trimaris. I believe that Calontir will 
>> as well. So that means two units carrying scutums that will need 
>> breaking. I believe that we, the archers, are best suited for that. 
>> Baron Michel is our commander this year and I would like to give him 
>> the tools to state what the archers can do for Ansteorra in the 
>> ravine when asked.
>>  
>> EdV
>
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