[Ansteorra-archery] need some info.

Sat Feb 14 13:30:57 PST 2009

How long is your draw, from the bow to the nut?

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Len Billett wrote:
> i was looking through an old list I had saved which basically had this 
> . "Roric of Wolfstar has a number of the aluminum prods still for $40."
> does anyone have Roric of wolfstar's email. I am still looking to get 
> rid of this 30" 80lb. xbow prod. in exchange for something in the 
> 40-45 lb. range. just enough for everyday shooting , I dont need to 
> peirce platemail or kill a bear lol.  If anyone can help me out with 
> my problem let me know.
>  
> /Len Billett/
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>   1. Re: Survival of Combat Archery (Mike)
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> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:26:00 -0600
> From: Mike <meggiddo at netzero.net <mailto:meggiddo at netzero.net>>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Survival of Combat Archery
> To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
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> To make that work in football, then all involved must come together to
> practice and Not just one or two times. Which is the normal given the
> size of this Kingdom.
> So, still not valid.
>
> Everyone better understand the basic principle in teaching - "KISS" -
> otherwise it gets to complicated and history is just full of..."I
> thought we were going to do A, D, E and H and not A, B, C, and J. "
>
>
> Michael Kettering
>
>
> Richard Threlkeld wrote:
> > Sort of like in football, your commands only need to be understood 
> by your
> > archers and maybe the commanders of the other groups on your side. 
> So "12,
> > 54, hike" might mean everyone move to the right and shoot to the 
> left. They
> > know *something* is happening and can see a gathering of archers, 
> but they
> > don't know what they are doing or what the "do it now" command will be.
> >
> > In service,
> > Caelin on Andrede
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> > 
> ansteorra-archery-bounces+rjt=softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra.org 
> <mailto:softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra.org>
> > 
> [mailto:ansteorra-archery-bounces+rjt=softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra 
> <mailto:softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra>
> > .org] On Behalf Of Mike
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 21:19 PM
> > To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
> > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Survival of Combat Archery
> >
> > Heilsa,
> >
> > To make this work, then you or someone will be yelling out commands -
> > which everyone will be able to heard and understand, on both sides!
> >
> > This has always been one of the major flaws in archers gathering in a
> > mass - so commands are yelled out and lo and behold - there is "No
> > Surprise."
> >
> > Been there and done that - and burned the both the T-Shirt and the
> > photos! Not worth the effort!
> >
> >
> > Michael Kettering
> >
> >
> > Eric Brown wrote:
> > 
> >> Caladin Here, That reminds me... 2 things... I wanted to talk to Y'all
> >> about.
> >>
> >> 1. From what I've gathered by listening, one of His Majesties goals
> >> seems to be to minimize the "Drama and whining" at the war, and so the
> >> 15 piece of armor rule
> >> may have been in the nature of an understandably arbitrary attempt to
> >> quiet those who complained and argued for no archery in the ravine
> >> battle, while still letting our archers get out
> >> on the field of the ravine battle and kick butt. An unpleasant
> >> compromise if you will, who's goal was not realism, or even fairness,
> >> but to lessen the drama.
> >>
> >> Plus you've I hope you'll agree, all those spear lines with no shields
> >> in front that keep happening in the ravine battle are kind of like
> >> Christmas morning to good archers  :).
> >> I know I spent a lot of the battle last year wishing I'd brought my
> >> crossbow :)
> >>
> >> 2. As General, I've been asked by several archers to think about
> >> interesting and different uses for archery, than the standard 30 foot
> >> spear/ solo sniper tactics that we've used for so long.
> >> I've been cogitating about asking the archers to mass up to try
> >> something interesting in one specific battle of one of the
> >> scenarios... It's not massed indirect fire,
> >> more like a big mass of skirmishers with rifles in naploeonic warfare,
> >> at least that's how I think it'd work in the idea that I have rattling
> >> about in my gourd.
> >>
> >> I know several of you have mentioned how much you'd like to try massed
> >> fire... and while this is not that, it's a step in that direction...So
> >> my real question is,
> >> Would you be interested in the possibility of being pulled together in
> >> one place for massed sniper work, once, in one specific battle, if the
> >> idea gets approved and agreed to by all involved, etc etc?
> >>
> >> I don't want to go into too much detail, but I'd want to gather most
> >> or all the archers in a specific place at a specific time early in the
> >> battle, and if the enemy does what I hope (a notoriously risky gamble,
> >> I admit) there would be a very brief window of utter devastation. Then
> >> you'd' all be free to run off and rejoin your units, move, or whatever
> >> you wanted to do... The downside of the Gamble being that if they
> >> don't do what I hope, you'll have wasted 5-10 min of your time ( and
> >> not being available for doing any counter archer fire), and then have
> >> to move to a new location or re-join yout units with nothing to show
> >> for it. You would not be being left out exposed to be destroyed, in
> >> case you were worried about that..
> >>
> >> This idea is not fully formed, nor has it been discussed with anyone
> >> except y'all, but I wanted to see if you thought it might be fun to
> >> take the gamble before I bothered talking to anyone else about it.
> >>
> >> If Y'all saw it as the moral equivalent of taking all the knights and
> >> making a super unit, theirby depriving all the units of their best
> >> assets, then I'd drop the idea entirely.
> >>
> >> What do Y'all think? Does that sound like fun?
> >>
> >> Caladin-
> >> Generalisimo.
> >>
> >>
> >> Mike Wyvill wrote:
> >>   
> >>> Sir Guy, Honorable Lords and gentles all,
> >>> 
> >>> I absolutely understand that our knights by and large support CA. And
> >>> all Ansteorran archers should as well. Sir Lyonel has posted to the
> >>> SCA Missile Combat list supporting us, I know personally of Duke
> >>> Aaron and Duke Ulsted and their support. Sir Alexis has crossbowmen
> >>> in his Blue Company so of course not all knights in or out of this
> >>> Kingdom oppose archery. And I did not post to the list to stir up
> >>> trouble. I just think we need to get an idea of our numbers so that
> >>> we can come up with effective tactics for the ravine.
> >>> 
> >>> The Midrealm has declared for Trimaris. I believe that Calontir will
> >>> as well. So that means two units carrying scutums that will need
> >>> breaking. I believe that we, the archers, are best suited for that.
> >>> Baron Michel is our commander this year and I would like to give him
> >>> the tools to state what the archers can do for Ansteorra in the
> >>> ravine when asked.
> >>> 
> >>> EdV
> >>>     
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> From: Eric Brown <caladin at io.com <mailto:caladin at io.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Survival of Combat Archery
> To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
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> I count this a 1 for 1 against and a while lot of "I don't care"
>
> :)
>
> Any other votes/opinions, you can send them to me privately if you
> prefer at caladin at io.com <http://io.com/>.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Caladin-
>
>
> Mike wrote:
> > To make that work in football, then all involved must come together to
> > practice and Not just one or two times. Which is the normal given the
> > size of this Kingdom.
> > So, still not valid.
> >
> > Everyone better understand the basic principle in teaching - "KISS" -
> > otherwise it gets to complicated and history is just full of..."I
> > thought we were going to do A, D, E and H and not A, B, C, and J. "
> >
> >
> > Michael Kettering
> >
> >
> > Richard Threlkeld wrote:
> >> Sort of like in football, your commands only need to be understood 
> by your
> >> archers and maybe the commanders of the other groups on your side. 
> So "12,
> >> 54, hike" might mean everyone move to the right and shoot to the 
> left. They
> >> know *something* is happening and can see a gathering of archers, 
> but they
> >> don't know what they are doing or what the "do it now" command will be.
> >>
> >> In service,
> >> Caelin on Andrede
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From:
> >> 
> ansteorra-archery-bounces+rjt=softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra.org 
> <mailto:softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra.org>
> >> 
> [mailto:ansteorra-archery-bounces+rjt=softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra 
> <mailto:softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra>
> >> .org] On Behalf Of Mike
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 21:19 PM
> >> To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
> >> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Survival of Combat Archery
> >>
> >> Heilsa,
> >>
> >> To make this work, then you or someone will be yelling out commands -
> >> which everyone will be able to heard and understand, on both sides!
> >>
> >> This has always been one of the major flaws in archers gathering in a
> >> mass - so commands are yelled out and lo and behold - there is "No
> >> Surprise."
> >>
> >> Been there and done that - and burned the both the T-Shirt and the
> >> photos! Not worth the effort!
> >>
> >>
> >> Michael Kettering
> >>
> >>
> >> Eric Brown wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Caladin Here, That reminds me... 2 things... I wanted to talk to 
> Y'all
> >>> about.
> >>>
> >>> 1. From what I've gathered by listening, one of His Majesties goals
> >>> seems to be to minimize the "Drama and whining" at the war, and so 
> the
> >>> 15 piece of armor rule
> >>> may have been in the nature of an understandably arbitrary attempt to
> >>> quiet those who complained and argued for no archery in the ravine
> >>> battle, while still letting our archers get out
> >>> on the field of the ravine battle and kick butt. An unpleasant
> >>> compromise if you will, who's goal was not realism, or even fairness,
> >>> but to lessen the drama.
> >>>
> >>> Plus you've I hope you'll agree, all those spear lines with no 
> shields
> >>> in front that keep happening in the ravine battle are kind of like
> >>> Christmas morning to good archers  :).
> >>> I know I spent a lot of the battle last year wishing I'd brought my
> >>> crossbow :)
> >>>
> >>> 2. As General, I've been asked by several archers to think about
> >>> interesting and different uses for archery, than the standard 30 foot
> >>> spear/ solo sniper tactics that we've used for so long.
> >>> I've been cogitating about asking the archers to mass up to try
> >>> something interesting in one specific battle of one of the
> >>> scenarios... It's not massed indirect fire,
> >>> more like a big mass of skirmishers with rifles in naploeonic 
> warfare,
> >>> at least that's how I think it'd work in the idea that I have 
> rattling
> >>> about in my gourd.
> >>>
> >>> I know several of you have mentioned how much you'd like to try 
> massed
> >>> fire... and while this is not that, it's a step in that 
> direction...So
> >>> my real question is,
> >>> Would you be interested in the possibility of being pulled 
> together in
> >>> one place for massed sniper work, once, in one specific battle, if 
> the
> >>> idea gets approved and agreed to by all involved, etc etc?
> >>>
> >>> I don't want to go into too much detail, but I'd want to gather most
> >>> or all the archers in a specific place at a specific time early in 
> the
> >>> battle, and if the enemy does what I hope (a notoriously risky 
> gamble,
> >>> I admit) there would be a very brief window of utter devastation. 
> Then
> >>> you'd' all be free to run off and rejoin your units, move, or 
> whatever
> >>> you wanted to do... The downside of the Gamble being that if they
> >>> don't do what I hope, you'll have wasted 5-10 min of your time ( and
> >>> not being available for doing any counter archer fire), and then have
> >>> to move to a new location or re-join yout units with nothing to show
> >>> for it. You would not be being left out exposed to be destroyed, in
> >>> case you were worried about that..
> >>>
> >>> This idea is not fully formed, nor has it been discussed with anyone
> >>> except y'all, but I wanted to see if you thought it might be fun to
> >>> take the gamble before I bothered talking to anyone else about it.
> >>>
> >>> If Y'all saw it as the moral equivalent of taking all the knights and
> >>> making a super unit, theirby depriving all the units of their best
> >>> assets, then I'd drop the idea entirely.
> >>>
> >>> What do Y'all think? Does that sound like fun?
> >>>
> >>> Caladin-
> >>> Generalisimo.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Mike Wyvill wrote:
> >>>   
> >>>> Sir Guy, Honorable Lords and gentles all,
> >>>> 
> >>>> I absolutely understand that our knights by and large support CA. 
> And
> >>>> all Ansteorran archers should as well. Sir Lyonel has posted to the
> >>>> SCA Missile Combat list supporting us, I know personally of Duke
> >>>> Aaron and Duke Ulsted and their support. Sir Alexis has crossbowmen
> >>>> in his Blue Company so of course not all knights in or out of this
> >>>> Kingdom oppose archery. And I did not post to the list to stir up
> >>>> trouble. I just think we need to get an idea of our numbers so that
> >>>> we can come up with effective tactics for the ravine.
> >>>> 
> >>>> The Midrealm has declared for Trimaris. I believe that Calontir will
> >>>> as well. So that means two units carrying scutums that will need
> >>>> breaking. I believe that we, the archers, are best suited for that.
> >>>> Baron Michel is our commander this year and I would like to give him
> >>>> the tools to state what the archers can do for Ansteorra in the
> >>>> ravine when asked.
> >>>> 
> >>>> EdV
> >>>>     
> >>> _______________________________________________
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