[Ansteorra-archery] Cross-Bows WILL Be Welcome at the SherwoodTargetArcheryCompetitions!
Greg Coffman
baroniago at earthlink.net
Sun Jan 18 20:19:42 PST 2009
If winning were that important to me, I'd be bummed out at LOTS of
events. If I'm allowed to shoot, I'm happy.
Iago
On Jan 18, 2009, at 5:59 PM, Chuck Kaun wrote:
> The main thing is that crossbows are allowed to shoot. Having them
> not able to win is ok. The main problem anyone has I think with
> limiting either crossbowmen or handbowmen is not being able to
> shoot. For example I shoot the crossbow. If a tourney says no
> crossbowmen allowed, I probably wont attend that event. If the
> tourney says crossbowmen can play but only a handbow will be able
> to win due to it being a themed event I will still go cause I was
> able to play.
>
> I guess what I am trying to say is if you want it to be a handbow
> tourney, make it a handbow tourney but maybe inform crossbowmen
> they can play all they want with you, just make the champion will
> be handbow only. And maybe toss a half dozen points or a crossbow
> string to the top crossbow participant for good sportmanship or
> somesuch.
>
> Karl Thorgeirsson, Crossbowman
>
>
>
> From: kentheriot at ravenboymusic.com
> To: ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org
> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:50:53 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Cross-Bows WILL Be Welcome at the
> SherwoodTargetArcheryCompetitions!
>
>
> Thanks Iago! That’s the kind of thing I was looking for.
>
>
> I’ve received a number of responses privately as well. And based
> on everyone’s input I will say with certainty (this time for
> sure;)) that cross-bows WILL be involved in the target archery at
> our event. I suspected that excluding one type of weapon might not
> be kosher, which is why I wanted to ask the folks on this list,
> most of whom have much more target archery experience than I do.
> It has been quite an education;).
>
>
> I still have to clear some things with some other folks in the
> barony before I put anything out through official channels as to
> the specifics (how we’ll arrange for parity, etc.). But I CAN
> promise that cross-bows will be welcome at our event! If there is
> one thing we WANT to do here, it is to encourage archery in
> Ansteorra. That is the point of this event.
>
>
> Thanks again for all your input!
>
>
> Kenneth
>
>
> From: Greg Coffman [mailto:baroniago at earthlink.net]
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:04 PM
> To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Question About
> SherwoodTargetArcheryCompetitions
>
>
> I will come to support my barony. I will not participate because I
> can no longer draw my recurve due to a shoulder injury. If it were
> in another group, I wouldn't spend the money on the gas.
>
>
> Iago
>
> On Jan 17, 2009, at 8:29 PM, Ken Theriot wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Thanks Arthur! I seem to have read all these replies in reverse
> order, so though I was certain I was going to limit it to “hand-
> bows” (thanks for the question there) only on the target shoots,
> I’m also getting a hint that some cross-bow people might feel
> excluded if we do that. Sigh. I definitely want this to be fun
> AND as inclusive as can be. And we want ALL the shoots to be
> happen (safely;)) in the view of spectators in a “gallery” area.
> The more different stuff that is going on, it seems to me, the more
> confusing it would be for the gallery.
>
>
> Since I haven’t made the decision yet, maybe I could take a poll of
> cross-bow target folks on this list to see how many WOULDN’T come
> to the event if we made it hand-bow only, but who otherwise WOULD
> have come. If that number is low or non-existent, I’ll probably
> stay with the hand-bow only. But if 5 or 6 archers say they’re not
> coming due to the exclusion, I would look at including cross-bow.
>
>
> You don’t have to post it here. Feel free to e-mail me at
> kentheriot at ravenboymusic.com if you’d like.
>
>
> Oh, and again I want to make it clear that the armored combat
> archery WILL include cross-bows as usual. Just in case there was
> any question.
>
>
> Thanks again!
>
>
> Kenneth
>
>
> From: ld.blackmoon [mailto:ld.blackmoon at cox.net]
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 5:27 PM
> To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Question About Sherwood
> TargetArcheryCompetitions
>
>
> greetings
>
>
> >This is a Robin Hood themed event, and as such, I was hoping to
> limit the target competitions (we’ll be doing target stuff with
> both the regular TA stuff AND the CA stuff in the morning) to long
> bow.
>
> would that be long bow as in longbow only ? or longbow as in
> longbow / recurve ?? or some variant ?
>
> >However, I know there are folks who prefer the cross-bow, or even
> shoot it exclusively for target. How is this handled in “regular”
> target competitions?
>
> themed shoots are somewhat common in some areas , the thing is ,as
> you stated , some people prefer one style over the other , some
> like myself are trying to master as many styles as we have
> equipment . anyway , the key is to try to ballance your shoots so
> that no single style has all of the advantages . normaly one shoot
> will be given over to he " theme " of the event , normaly the title
> shoot.
>
> if you are going to limit any of the shoots , you really should
> publish the details well in advance .
>
> >Cross-bows would have a huge advantage over long bows for the same
> target and distance wouldn’t they?
>
> only if you plan it that way ...
>
> there are 4 very easy ways to handicap crossbows to help ballance a
> shoot in target archery.
>
> 1. timed = crossbows take longer to load and fire than recurve or
> longbow
>
> 2. distance = crossbows work well at regular known distances , not
> so well at unknown distances
>
> 3, # of shots = crossbows normaly have to get " zeroed in " if they
> dont know the distance , this takes shots to do , most crossbow
> archers will need aprox 3 to 4 shots to get zeroed, but ive seen a
> realy good crossbowman zero in 2 shots
>
> 4, cold shoot = remember almost all archers like the advantage of
> having a known distance , and will pace off the targets if given
> the chance .
>
>
> there are also ways to " handicap " longbow / recurve archers as
> well , it mainly lies in knowing " how " each bow type operates .
>
> >Am I off-base here?
>
> that would be for you to decide , just remember to try to keep
> archery as an " inclusive " activity , and not an exclusive
> activity.bad feelings cause people to avoid events they would
> otherwise attend .
>
> crossbow envy is usualy caused because marshals don't understand
> how crossbows work .
>
> >I don’t have the competition experience to know for sure what to
> do here
>
> the bottom line is, have fun , if you are the marshal in charge ,
> its your shoot , run it the way you want , unless there is a safety
> issue , or a nobility issue
>
> ( you cant start at 9 am , morning court is at 9 am or his magesty
> wishes to watch x activity , but wont be available till 3pm )
>
> no one should be changing your shoot . any range can be closed for
> safety issues, so make sure you double check any possible safety
> issues.
>
> but as marshal in charge , you are responsible for all the the fun,
> safety, and also any problems that arise , for all the archers and
> spectators at your event .
>
>
> >Any input appreciated.
>
> ok those are my thoughts on this subject, others thoughts may ( and
> probably will ; ) vary .
>
>
> good luck on your event !!
>
>
> be safe, be happy, have fun
>
> arthur
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Ken Theriot
>
> To: 'Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra'
>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 12:50 PM
>
> Subject: [Ansteorra-archery] Question About Sherwood Target
> ArcheryCompetitions
>
>
> Hey Everyone,
>
>
> I was at our event planning meeting last night and talking about
> the archery competitions. There will be several “novelty-shoots”
> for target archery, but I got to thinking afterward that I wanted
> to ask the experts about something. I’m relatively new to target
> (though I’ve been doing CA regularly for a few years).
>
>
> This is a Robin Hood themed event, and as such, I was hoping to
> limit the target competitions (we’ll be doing target stuff with
> both the regular TA stuff AND the CA stuff in the morning) to long
> bow. I know cross-bows existed in this period, but it just isn’t
> in the “idiom” (zeitgeist?) of Robin Hood. Also, there is
> currently a set number of archery prizes…one for overall target
> archery, 1 for CA target archery, and 1 for “in-armor-actually-
> fighting” CA. If we have to ALSO split the TA prize into two (one
> for cross-bow, and one for long-bow), it will make things a lot
> harder to do. However, I know there are folks who prefer the cross-
> bow, or even shoot it exclusively for target. How is this handled
> in “regular” target competitions?
>
>
> Cross-bows would have a huge advantage over long bows for the same
> target and distance wouldn’t they? It would make sense to me that
> the two types of weapons would have to either have their own
> competitions, or have different distances for the same target.
> Regardless of either situation, it seems like it would be
> exponentially difficult, given our full schedule, to have both
> weapons in the target archery competition. Am I off-base here?
> Honestly, though I have participated in several “fun” shoots at SCA
> events, have set up a range, and am an authorized TA marshal, I
> don’t have the competition experience to know for sure what to do
> here.
>
>
> Any input appreciated.
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Kenneth
>
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