[Ansteorra-archery] Definition of Royal Huntsman
Mike
meggiddo at netzero.net
Wed Nov 18 11:05:33 PST 2009
Heilsa,
I was only responding to the actually cost of a helm. And not to whether
or not Combat Archery should be included in this shoot.
Michael Kettering
Combat Archer for the Condottieri
Paradox wrote:
> Greetings,
> So if I understand all this correctly, should I or anyone else that
> should ever want to compete in a royal huntsman tourney that does not
> do any combat; we must go out and amass a number of useless items
> and also another useless get authorization for combat for a single
> compettion held once a year?
> If this event was based history; wasn't a royal huntsman the
> gamekeeper/hunter and provided the game for the feasts to the royalty
> and was not the leader of the archers in combat; therefore wasn't in a
> combat situation.
> Curious if combat archery belongs on a combat field, why does it
> need to added to an non-combat based shoot?
>
> Lucien
>
> --- On *Wed, 11/18/09, Mike /<meggiddo at netzero.net>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Mike <meggiddo at netzero.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Definition of Royal Huntsman
> To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra"
> <ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 12:17 PM
>
> Heilsa,
>
> Actually the cost of a starter helm can be less than $100.00.
> There is one web site that listed their basic helm starting at $70.
>
>
>
> Michael Kettering
>
>
>
> Patrick R wrote:
>>
>> While I have a great deal of respect for combat archers, some
>> archers do not wish to be combat archers. The expense involved,
>> the necessity to be combat authorized, the limited number of
>> times you will participate compared with the cost involved, the
>> frustration of your hits not being called all add up to reasons
>> some do not want to be combat archers. The more I read, the more
>> it seems that the Huntsman is centered around combat archers or
>> those who do both combat and target. The cost of just the helm
>> for combat is more than the total start up cost to become
>> competitive for target archery(someone can get competitive
>> equipment for less than $165, bow/arrows/arm/finger guard).
>>
>>
>>
>> It seems we are trying to exclude the largest group of archers
>> who can compete for a Kingdom archery title. If the kingdom wants
>> the Huntsman to be another of the old boy group (those who use
>> big sticks) so be it, I can live with that but lets call it what
>> it is.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dante
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On *Wed, 11/18/09, Doug Copley /<doug.copley at gmail.com>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Doug Copley <doug.copley at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Ansteorra-archery] Definition of Royal Huntsman
>> To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra"
>> <ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
>> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 7:33 AM
>>
>> One thing that might help in these discussions is a better
>> definition of what is the Royal Huntsman.
>>
>> I have seen several people express their opinion of what the
>> position is and how they view it but it would help if there
>> was a better description that was posted so that the entire
>> Kingdom would have the same understanding.
>>
>> In my mind, part of the problem is that we have 3 different
>> groups that are or can be involved in this and all of this
>> going back-and-forth and saying that it may, might, could,
>> possibly, include certain types of shooting is actually bad
>> for the tourney, the title, and the archery community. I
>> think it makes us look disorganized, leaderless, and
>> fragmented, all of which is bad.
>>
>> The 3 groups are:
>> 1. Target archers that ONLY do target archery. I believe that
>> this is the largest group.
>> 2. Combat archers that ONLY do combat archery. I believe that
>> this is the smallest group.
>> 3. Archers that do BOTH combat and target archery. I believe
>> that this group is right in the middle as far as numbers.
>>
>> If the objective is to find a combat archer to go to war with
>> the King & Queen then the Tourney should be a CA Tourney. If
>> the objective is to find the best TA then it should be a TA
>> Tourney. If the objective is a combination then it should be
>> a CA / TA Tourney and it should be announced that it will be
>> and if only one person shows up with all of the gear and is
>> able to compete in all of it they win.
>>
>> If we look at the other martial skills champions they may
>> have some things that vary and formats that might change
>> slightly but they also have a number of things that are
>> ALWAYS included and it is known that they must have certain
>> items in order to compete. We should organize ourselves and
>> do the same thing.
>>
>> We should focus on skill type shooting of various distances,
>> and specify what is required to compete for Royal Huntsman.
>> Do we want to say that only TA or only CA is required or that
>> both are required, what about shooting period and requiring
>> that you must shoot longbow, or maybe longbow and crossbow
>> and combat! (No, I am not kidding, for Chivalric they must
>> fight with multiple weapons in order to compete so there is
>> precedence).
>>
>> If the title is for the top Kingdom archer of all forms
>> archery and that they are supposed to go to war with the King
>> & Queen and they are supposed to fill the Royal table with
>> meat then we should require that to compete for the title you
>> MUST compete with multiple forms of archery and bows. If the
>> title is different (Huntsman = Hunter = TA ONLY) then we need
>> to base the tourney on what the definition is.
>>
>> My apologies for this being so long but I believe that this
>> is important to the entire archery community and should be
>> addressed. I have looked for a clear concise description that
>> would settle the discussion but was unable to find one.
>>
>> When responding, please do not use "Well normally we have
>> included ...", we need to focus not on what was done in the
>> past but what should be done and what we want to do in the
>> future, where do we want this to be in 5 years, what do we
>> want to be accomplished in 3 years, how can we make this grow?
>>
>> YIS,
>> Vincenti da Murano
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