[Ansteorra-archery] Definition of Royal Huntsman

Wed Nov 18 14:51:03 PST 2009

I am really beginning to wonder if people are not understanding what 
is/has been said.  The crown will determine what they want their 
Huntsman to be.  Dante you more than most should know.  You served in 
that position.  And if I recall correctly Ulstead did not require that 
you become CA authorized and join him on the field.  However at his 
Tourney you may need to show up with a fencing mask, gloves and some 
combat bolts/arrows.  You will then shoot at a target using such.  One 
round out of how many in the Tourney.  If that round is even included in 
the Tourney.  That and the ability to go to the events the Crown 
requires you to attend.  Not much to ask here folks.  If you can't make 
it to an event then arrange for someone to attend in your stead. 

Iaen

Patrick R wrote:
>
> While I have a great deal of respect for combat archers, some archers 
> do not wish to be combat archers. The expense involved, the necessity 
> to be combat authorized, the limited number of times you will 
> participate compared with the cost involved, the frustration of your 
> hits not being called all add up to reasons some do not want to be 
> combat archers. The more I read, the more it seems that the Huntsman 
> is centered around combat archers or those who do both combat and 
> target. The cost of just the helm for combat is more than the total 
> start up cost to become competitive for target archery(someone can get 
> competitive equipment for less than $165, bow/arrows/arm/finger guard).
>
>  
>
> It seems we are trying to exclude the largest group of archers who can 
> compete for a Kingdom archery title. If the kingdom wants the Huntsman 
> to be another of the old boy group (those who use big sticks) so be 
> it, I can live with that but lets call it what it is.
>
>  
>
> Dante
>
>  
>
>  
>
> --- On *Wed, 11/18/09, Doug Copley /<doug.copley at gmail.com>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: Doug Copley <doug.copley at gmail.com>
>     Subject: [Ansteorra-archery] Definition of Royal Huntsman
>     To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra"
>     <ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
>     Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 7:33 AM
>
>     One thing that might help in these discussions is a better
>     definition of what is the Royal Huntsman.
>
>     I have seen several people express their opinion of what the
>     position is and how they view it but it would help if there was a
>     better description that was posted so that the entire Kingdom
>     would have the same understanding.
>
>     In my mind, part of the problem is that we have 3 different groups
>     that are or can be involved in this and all of this going
>     back-and-forth and saying that it may, might, could, possibly,
>     include certain types of shooting is actually bad for the tourney,
>     the title, and the archery community. I think it makes us look
>     disorganized, leaderless, and fragmented, all of which is bad.
>
>     The 3 groups are:
>     1. Target archers that ONLY do target archery. I believe that this
>     is the largest group.
>     2. Combat archers that ONLY do combat archery. I believe that this
>     is the smallest group.
>     3. Archers that do BOTH combat and target archery. I believe that
>     this group is right in the middle as far as numbers.
>
>     If the objective is to find a combat archer to go to war with the
>     King & Queen then the Tourney should be a CA Tourney. If the
>     objective is to find the best TA then it should be a TA Tourney.
>     If the objective is a combination then it should be a CA / TA
>     Tourney and it should be announced that it will be and if only one
>     person shows up with all of the gear and is able to compete in all
>     of it they win.
>
>     If we look at the other martial skills champions they may have
>     some things that vary and formats that might change slightly but
>     they also have a number of things that are ALWAYS included and it
>     is known that they must have certain items in order to compete. We
>     should organize ourselves and do the same thing.
>
>     We should focus on skill type shooting of various distances, and
>     specify what is required to compete for Royal Huntsman. Do we want
>     to say that only TA or only CA is required or that both are
>     required, what about shooting period and requiring that you must
>     shoot longbow, or maybe longbow and crossbow and combat! (No, I am
>     not kidding, for Chivalric they must fight with multiple weapons
>     in order to compete so there is precedence).
>
>     If the title is for the top Kingdom archer of all forms archery
>     and that they are supposed to go to war with the King & Queen and
>     they are supposed to fill the Royal table with meat then we should
>     require that to compete for the title you MUST compete with
>     multiple forms of archery and bows. If the title is different
>     (Huntsman = Hunter = TA ONLY) then we need to base the tourney on
>     what the definition is.
>
>     My apologies for this being so long but I believe that this is
>     important to the entire archery community and should be addressed.
>     I have looked for a clear concise description that would settle
>     the discussion but was unable to find one.
>
>     When responding, please do not use "Well normally we have included
>     ...", we need to focus not on what was done in the past but what
>     should be done and what we want to do in the future, where do we
>     want this to be in 5 years, what do we want to be accomplished in
>     3 years, how can we make this grow?
>
>     YIS,
>     Vincenti da Murano
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