[Ansteorra-archery] Royal Huntsman Duties

Mon Feb 13 18:56:21 PST 2012

greetings 

more tourneys in one day is very possible.  
you just have to convince the marshal in charge, and plan accordingly ; )

so it is ok with you that more skilled archers should be removed in order to get the winner you want in the war party ?

while I am happy that you will test your skill against some of the best archers in the kingdom, 
I feel sorry for you and the community as a whole if as you say your only purpose in competing is to try and knock out as many other archers as you can..... a large part of the royal huntsman is spending time in the royal presence, that infers that they will wish for those who show honor, chivalry, and courtly graces on and off the ranges. there is more to becoming royal huntsman as well as earning any other title , than just having the highest score on any given day.  if you don't have the respect of your fellow archers , then you really do become " worth less " in their eyes. and that is always a hard lesson to learn.
winning any title should never be a case of " how many can I beat " but more often a matter of " am I worthy of this title " will I do it justice and spread honor and respect while wearing it's symbol ??

while I may not understand vincenti's decision in this case,
 it in no way means that I do not respect his right to run the tourney as he ( as the royal huntsman ) and their highnesses see fit,
or that I do not respect his choices overall, vincenti has made vast improvements in his game since he started in archery and has helped the missile community grow and improve .

as I have already stated in a previous post, I hope that many people will come to which ever event the royal huntsman tourney is held at , for many different reasons.

Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
Arthur

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joey 
  To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra 
  Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 7:34 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Royal Huntsman Duties

  To Arthur,

  I completely agree with you. It would be nice to see more tournaments for some of the lesser skilled archers. Also trying to take to many opinions on how to run something that everyone will enjoy every aspect of, can ultimately get too confusing. In this you are right. But I did not misread the rules. I have spent time with Vincenti speaking to him about the pros and cons of his decision. I understand i will be dropped after the target portion of the tournament, but that wont stop me from trying to score as high as possible to knock out as many archers as i can :). And wether you are for or against the decision, we have to respect that it is his decision. everyone has a valid point on the matter, I only wish that it won't sway people away

  There's a good reason why the other road is less traveled

  On Feb 13, 2012, at 7:11 PM, "Ld.blackmoon" <ld.blackmoon at cox.net> wrote:

    greetings 

    to respond to two posts at once.
    to iago ,
     unless I am mistaken ( which is entirely possible ) what you participated in was an ikcac round , shooting at a combat target, not another person.

    to Joey, 
    you miss read the posted rules, the best of the best " of the best " ( sorry couldn't stop myself ) target archers will all be dropped in the finals unless they are also combat archery authorized and equipped, as the final round ( the round that determines the winner is combat archery only ).
    as to being of a higher standard than " just a target archer " unfortunately many people from newbie to uber duke to bod members all feel that target archery isn't of sufficient standing for many things, but if you look , you will find that many many newbie's start their sca play by becoming active in archery , then some move to heavy, rapier, a/s etc. many people move to archery when they can no longer physically chance ( or financially afford ) a busted arm, leg, back, etc.
    as to fighting for the crowns while this is of great import while at war along side the other heavy weapons styles, as well as the rapier styles, the " royal huntsman " as pointed out in another post was charged with helping feed all those soldiers both at home and on the road to war ( salted / smoked meat would still go bad on a long trip )

    perhaps the answer lies in having both a royal huntsman and an archer general ?  but that would be a discussion for those of higher stature than this simple archer , but I digress.

    it has been spoken of that any may drop out after the semi final round, I have done this on several occasions, not because I would see our crowns undefended, or because I stood no chance of winning, but because I could not afford the travel required ( including going to war ) and I did not feel it would be honorable to " win " knowing that at most events and the war I would have to ask someone else to " stand in " for me. 
     this was a case of personal honor, and is not to imply that anyone else may not have been honorable in their filling of the position .
    but cost is also one of the obligations , as with any title / position at all levels of the sca.

    but , while I do not believe that this is good for either archery community, I did not intend that anyone not go to the royal huntsman tourney wherever / whenever  it may be held.

    to the contrary , please do go, it has always been the place to go see the best of the best ( as well as those who hope to someday be among them ) compete from all over the kingdom.
    at the royal huntsman tourney , you will normally see the top flight archers compete in closely scored rounds, you will normally see many marshals working their buns off, and quite often see skill, courtly graces,honor, and even chivalry upon the target archery ranges. it's amazing what you can learn shooting alongside the top flight archers of ansteorra ( most of us like to teach ; )

    if our tournaments are long and boring , then we have no one to blame but ourselves.
    the mic, will always create tourneys from what he/ she believes people want to compete in , and what he / she believes they can get marshals to help him run.
    too long have we tried to make everyone happy, with a one size fits all , archers tourney for our championship titles, too long has it been common for there to only be one tourney at each event, with maybe a royal round thrown in for good measure, we should be holding novice tourneys, championship tourneys, nobility tourneys ,title shoots,prize tourneys, you name it , at most every event, as well as have a royal round / ikac range that's open all day or at least most of the day, for scores, fun, practice.
    we must make target archery something people other than archers want to come see, and hopefully even want to participate in....

    sorry, just this old farts opinion again

    Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
    Arthur

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Iago Cabrera de Cadiz 
      To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra 
      Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 6:16 PM
      Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Royal Huntsman Duties

      I try to keep my mouth shut on this list and just read, as I am more of a participant in archery, and not one of the leaders. Sadly, I haven't been able to participate much either.  

      I've only been able to participate in one Royal Huntsman tournament before, and there was a combat archery element in that one too. This is nothing new.

      Iago

      On Feb 13, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Chuck Kaun wrote:

        That is why they have a Champion in the armored martial arts, forcing others to either do this or not play is exclusionary.  Another thing to think on, if only a combat archer can win, who is to say that the next Royal Huntsman wont have the same thoughts as you?  Once is precedent, twice can easily become tradition.

        Signing off of this topic, 

        YIS, 

        Karl Thorgeirsson

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