[Ansteorra-archery] While were shaking things up ...

Ld.blackmoon ld.blackmoon at cox.net
Wed Feb 15 19:51:40 PST 2012


sorry , I'm really not trying to pick on you .
but , this is one of the problems I have noticed in the past , and you have 
just brought it to the forefront , so I figure I better comment on it before 
I forget it again.

your post pushes the image that true " champions " do only one thing " win 
the title ".
I'm sorry to see that as an example in any sport, especially archery .
but it does spot light the difference between combat archers " heavy weapons 
" mentality. and target archers mentality.
as a heavy weapons fighter there is one directive " win " , unfortunately 
some lose sight of the more important aspects of the competition, and you 
see them wearing rhino plate armor, or ignoring shots , etc....
 this gains them no respect , so I don't see why it should be different on 
the archery ranges : /
while in the target archery community it has been common to understand that 
how you act , speak to your fellow archers,spectators, etc. is some times 
more important than a " title ".
 and deciding whether or not you can fulfill the duties and obligations of 
that title are always more important than actually " winning " that title .
I have seen newbie's post of wanting to enter championship title shoots in 
order to take out as many other archers as possible ... and yet they have no 
desire to fulfill the obligations of that title, no desire to test 
themselves against the best archers attending that event , it saddens me to 
see posts of this nature , because those people really believe that a bad 
attitude, lack of honor,and drama , will make archery much more exiting to 
watch / participate in : (

as to multiple champions, all we can do is discuss possibilities, it is up 
to the crowns to decide what they want , where they want it and how they 
want it . we don't make the decisions, all we do is give them options .

your correct there are many prejudices even in the missile community, should 
we all be required to shoot only period gear, should crossbows have their 
own championships, titles, should crossbowmen be made to only shoot while 
standing with one foot in the air, one hand on their butt, while singing god 
save the queen ??? at this time those are all left up to the individual 
marshals running the shoots, their personal prejudices, and skills as a 
if I really don't want a recurve to win , I limit the competition to period 
gear ,if I don't want a longbow / recurve to win , I stack the rounds so 
that crossbows are much more likely to win ( static distances, no timed 
rounds, longer ranges ) if I don't want crossbows to win I reverse it, 
multiple ranges, speed rounds, close targets, over obstacle targets at close 
range, limited shots, a good and fair marshal will try to give everyone an 
equal chance to win without inflicting their own prejudices on the 
but the truth is many marshals aren't that skilled , so you see a lot of " 
fun " shoots in title competitions, that rely on luck instead of skill, or 
shoots obviously tilted one way or another.

again a lot of options and things to think about.

just my opinion

Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Edwards" <wilim.penbras at pandora.org>
To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra" 
<ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 11:29 AM
Subject: [Ansteorra-archery] While were shaking things up ...

> Can we eliminate speed rounds?  Cause I suck at those.  I mean really... 
> what we're asking for is a tournament that suits us right?
> We have a tourney format currently that is going to exclude Static 
> shooters and that pretty much sucks big time.  I'm not sure how me being 
> able to get an extra round worth of points means you have to be that much 
> better.  If we get to that final round and we're close and I can shoot CA 
> and you can't, then you're darn right I should be able to have that 
> advantage.  I worked for it.  I practiced every week and learned the same 
> as an archer perfecting his speed round.
> I've seen complaints with many different Formats...  Crossbows being 
> allowed to sit, Shooting at 3d targets, Static targets @ unknown ranges 
> without a chance to practice on those targets, Even if a target was setup 
> for warmup people wanted to figure out which leaf they we're going to use 
> to Bullseye those "unknown" distances.
> The simple fact of the matter is that people will always want a format 
> that suits them.  I don't want a tourney that makes previous rounds moot. 
> But if there's a round your not going to do well in or not going to be 
> able to compete at all in... Yeah... do better in the rounds you can 
> compete in.  And trust than any archer that can be near the top at the end 
> of the competition and then load on armor and switch to blunts and 
> dominate THAT field too... well then they are what we call "Champions".
> I really don't see that having a War Champion and a Peace Champion helps 
> any except to enshrine into law only being able to compete half the 
> time...  Sitting out one round or sitting out one Tourney... I think I 
> know which I'd pick.
> YiS,
>      Wilim
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