[Ansteorra-archery] An Idea from an Old Fart was Re: Royal Huntsman - Special Tourney Rules***

jim hodek j_hodek at yahoo.com
Thu Feb 16 06:42:41 PST 2012

Well said Arthur. Again I have seen good pros and cons about my two cents worth of suggesting that two champions be chosen, one for target and one for CA. Personnally I think it would only further the Archery community as it gives more word fame. Secondly if both tournaments were held simultaneously, it would give the crown and their heirs a chance to see both the target archers who would be representing them at War and the CA archers who would be supporting them and our army.
As far as who stands behind the thrown, what does it matter! If they were both present, let them switch off if it is an issue.
Combat Archery is a whole different animal than target archery, on the field you ARE shooting at moving targets, you ARE moving yourself to avoid the heavy chivalric fighter whos duty is to kill the archers and you ARE dodging thos nasty archers on the other side who are trying to shoot you before you take out too many of their fighters or archers. A static Ikcac target in a competition is no more than equal to shooting a crossbow verses a longbow in a target competition (i.e. different arrow/bolt weight and different aim point). So what I am saying is "Good Job Vincente for making it more realistic." 
This Royal Huntsman tournament is set and has the Crowns approval, so and issues with it are moot. Let's go on from here and discuss different options or not. Maybe we can convince all the archers in the kingdom to attend the next Round Table, or at least a representative from each Region/Barony/Shire and bring our ideas to the Crown.
Again, my two cents worth,
HL Gunnar haukr
NR Missile Marshal     

From: Ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net>
To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra <ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] An Idea from an Old Fart was Re: Royal Huntsman - Special Tourney Rules***


which is why it may be time to look at discussion on separating the two communities .
the combat archers have spent years trying to grow their community, to get away from the " target archery " image ,to earn the respect of the heavy weapons community.
yes , a lot of combat archers come from the target archery community , but by no means all of them do.
while they have grown greatly in number,and their level of respect among ansteorran heavy communities has risen greatly , they are still not often given the acclaim and word fame that say spearmen , or shield men are accorded.
this seems to have led to the combat archery community falling back on the target archers for support , which puts them right back in the " target archery " image they have been fighting to avoid.
while they are on the field of war surrounded by knights, and crowns, and other heavy weapons fighters , they are given ample opportunities to shine and display their skill ( how many kingdoms have plate is proof, or face shot only rules ?? )
they deserve all the word fame anyone can give them, I know I couldn't hit a four inch square at 30 yards on a moving target with what safety allows for combat archery equipment . as has been stated , its a whole different skill set, different mind set, etc.

in ansteorra, the royal huntsman tourney has traditionally been the only time many crowns set foot on a range, and spend most of one whole day watching the target archers.
who are called on at war to do things like team up with another archer,( with out prior practice teaming ) and while one shoots the balloon, the other has to put an arrow in the picture frame to stop it from falling after the balloon is hit .......
or spend an entire day running the ranges, or compete with other kingdoms best archers .

is there a simple answer ? someone smarter than I may know, but perhaps by politely discussing the possibilities, we can come to some kind of agreement on what might work ,and then suggest it to the crowns for further thought ???

Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .

----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Edwards" <wilim.penbras at pandora.org>
To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra" <ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 9:33 AM
Subject: [Ansteorra-archery] An Idea from an Old Fart was Re: Royal Huntsman - Special Tourney Rules***

> Hi Guys,
>      Most of you don't know me and that's a wonderful thing.  It means the communties grown nicely since I left the Kingdom.  So ... uhm....  BIG Stink over the RH Tourney.
>      I know a lot of people aren't CA authorized and the current format for the Huntsman Tourney is placing A LOT, like Supreme Value on CA. So... why don't we ask TRH if the CA round can be assigned point values like any other target round would be.  You know the old 1 point for a wound, 2 points for a disabling wound and 5 points for an outright kill. Well the exact point values are irrelevant just so long as they're fair.
>    CA segment can be included, CA authorization required to compete in that round but not having a CA authorization doesn't eliminate you it just puts you at a disadvantage cause you better have enough points already totaled up because you're going to be sitting out a round.  So yeah... the REALLY hot target archers can still win, but those of us that have spent time off the range shooting at less static targets get some value placed on that investment.
>      I mean sure, Shooting with a helm and gauntlet and CA blunts is a lovely nod to CA but good god, I know people that spend their weekends shooting @ cans on strings from 20yds away and why should THEIR effort in perfecting their shooting be reduced to a static shoots in Armor.
>    So yeah,  however many rounds of Static Shooting and a final *Bonus* round of shooting at Moving, Cunning, Stealthy targets, that shoot back for those people who have invested time in this other aspect of shooting.
> In Service,
>      Wilim Penbras
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