[Ansteorra-marshals] Rawhide swords

[Andreas von Meißen]

A better test would be a cantilever beam flex test, like used for rapiers.
Also, as tape leaves a residue and doesn't come off easily, a better order
would be 1) bare, 2) rawhide, 3) tape.
You'd also need to do several sticks of a range of lengths and degree of
shavedness to get several data points.
So yeah. Science.

-- Andreas, who is grading structural dynamics lab reports and has such
things on his mind.

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 11:25 PM, Chuck Kaun <jack_a_lope31 at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Instead of arguing about this, someone do an experiment.  Take a piece of
> rattan, suspend it from its ends with a weight hanging from the center and
> measure its flex from straight.  Wrap it in tape and repeat, remove the
> tape then repeat again with leather.  If there is no appreciable difference
> between tape and leather, I don't see the problem.  SCIENCE!
>
> Karl Thorgeirsson
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Feb 24, 2016, at 18:28, Jay Rudin <rudin at peoplepc.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, and metal has been approved for hilts. That doesn't mean any metal
> can be used in any way.
> >
> > Rawhide and regular leather have different characteristics, and would
> need to be approved separately.
> >
> > In any event, the rules also state that "Rattan shall not be treated in
> any way that will substantially reduce its flexibility."
> >
> > If somebody has tested rattan shrink-wrapped in rawhide for flexibility,
> all we need is the results of that test. Or if some Earl Marshal has
> approved them, all we need is evidence of it.
> >
> > Robin of Gilwell / Jay Rudin
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Gene Hosey <genehosey at icloud.com>
> >> Sent: Feb 24, 2016 6:18 PM
> >> To: Jay Rudin <rudin at ev1.net>, Discussion list for all Ansteorran
> marshals <ansteorra-marshals at lists.ansteorra.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-marshals] Rawhide swords
> >>
> >> IT IS LEATHER, LEATHER WAS APPROVED IN SWORDS BY SOCIETY BEFORE I
> STARTED TWENTY YEARS AGO
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Feb 24, 2016, at 6:15 PM, Jay Rudin <rudin at peoplepc.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> There are only two possible answers to this question:
> >>> "Yes, they were approved for use in Ansteorra by former Earl Marshal
> X, or for general SCA use by Society Earl Marshal Y. Please contact him for
> more details."
> >>> "No, they have not been approved for use in Ansteorra."
> >>>
> >>> If no specific named Earl Marshal or Society Earl Marshal has approved
> them, , then they haven't been approved. Who else could have done it?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> As to flexibility: I haven't tested two swords made from similar
> rattan, one covered with rawhide and one not covered. Therefore, of course,
> I have no answer. Similarly, anybody else's answer must be either:
> >>> "I don't know; I haven't tested them."
> >>> or
> >>> "Here are the methods of my test, and here are the results."
> >>>
> >>> Robin of Gilwell / Jay Rudin
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Earl Marshal <kingdom at marshal.ansteorra.org>
> >>>> Sent: Feb 24, 2016 4:19 PM
> >>>> To: Discussion list for all Ansteorran marshals <
> ansteorra-marshals at lists.ansteorra.org>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-marshals] Rawhide swords
> >>>>
> >>>> from the Earl Marshals' perspective, there are two rules I think bear
> >>>> discussion (entire section included below):
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. With the exception of the hilts, guards and pommels, no metal or
> >>>> ****non-approved rigid, granular****, or liquid material may be used
> in the
> >>>> construction of single or two-handed weapons including spears.
> >>>> 11. Rattan shall not be treated in any way that will substantially
> reduce
> >>>> its flexibility (e.g., treated with wax, resin, fiberglass, etc.).
> >>>>
> >>>> So therein lies my real queries.
> >>>>
> >>>> Does wetting down rawhide, wrapping it around a sword, and then
> allowing it
> >>>> to shrink and harden "substantially reduce it's flexibility"?
> >>>>
> >>>> or
> >>>>
> >>>> Is rawhide a non-approved rigid material?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thoughts,
> >>>> Jean Paul
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