[Ansteorra-marshals] Rawhide Poll

[Ben Lee]

I stand with Henri and echo Alexis' words.
Simonn

On 2/27/2016 9:30 AM, bushpilot2 wrote:
>      
> Beautifully stated.
> Henri
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Dave Wise <wiselaw at comcast.net>
> Date: 02/27/2016  8:25 AM  (GMT-06:00)
> To: 'Discussion list for all Ansteorran marshals' <ansteorra-marshals at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-marshals] Rawhide Poll
>
> Since Ulsted has already tossed out the lawyer card, I'll take the older
> school approach.  If anyone has already made a sword (and if I've followed
> things, both Sven and Creppin fall in that category at least), why don't
> they just bring them out to a few events so folks can try them out.  If
> anyone else wants to give it a try, make one up and let your opponents know.
> Of course, the old school approach means you had better be willing to be hit
> with anything you bring out :).  It seems like a much simpler approach to
> gather data than going online with things.  We've used this approach for a
> decade plus every time we want to try something new on the equestrian side
> of things and it has worked out extremely well.  As others have noted, it is
> easy to make swords that comply with the current rule set that have no flex
> at all.  A recent round of blood of heroes and a choppa to the back was
> plenty of evidence of that ;).
> Regards,
> Alexis
>
> p.s. to echo Ulsted again, I've also used them in the past and they were not
> noticeably different.  Just didn't bother continuing making more after one
> got rained on at an event and I didn't like using a squishy sword.....
>
>
> Yeah - I could offer a couple of enhancements to the poll:1) I believe
> (having done similar before) that darn near any material on earth could be
> made "rigid" by the intended definition in the marshals handbooks.  (Layers
> aren't just for warmth!)  So the "is it rigid" is a bit vague.2) How are you
> ever going to reasonably enforce any rule - "No, it can only be .016" thick
> rawhide, not .017" "!3) Have you ever used or fought against rawhide covered
> weapons (and to what extent)? So - if you apply Alexis' (the lawyer I'm most
> familiar with) "reasonable man" - does this treatment make a sword (or other
> weapon type: maybe significant, maybe not) much different, or even more to
> the point, significantly less safe - than a sword using only siloflex,
> strapping tape, and duct tape (the last 2 materials *also* not on any list
> of "approved materials", btw) under normal construction methods for any of
> them?  Lots of undefined terms there, just as in our current rules.  What
> does significa
>   ntly less flexibile mean?  What does rigid mean (yes, we have some form of
> guidance from the armor materials, but any engineer would be happy to tell
> you there's a difference in applying force versus absorbing/dispersing it).
> And any attempt to make those absolutes means we have to have a way to
> verify it - which is why we ended with the "don't be a jerk" or "I know it
> when I see it" kind of applications.    Now, if we want to go ahead and
> increase all memberships to $20,000 a year, I'm certain we can hire the
> requisite testers to ensure complete adherence to a very specific set of
> armor and weapons requirements.  (This last bit was all about Hosey, btw -
> love 'ya dude.) :D  Ulsted
>
> Robin,
>
> Refer back to Ulsted's email in the last thread. He states specifically
> that rawhide was an approved material for sword making.
>
> Liam
>
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