[Ansteorra-missile] [Fwd: [SCA-MissileCombat] modified baldar (egg) testing.. please read..]

[meggiddo at netzero.net]

I am forwarding this from Tessa the Huntress, Deputy Society Marshal for
Combat Archery.

Below is the steps necessary for "live" testing of any modified
egg-shaped baldar blunts. Plus, addition information as well.

Michael Fray
Unit Combat Archer for the Condottieri


tessathehuntress wrote:
>
> I'm not hearing much of what people are doing either (with the exception
> of Cynder and her group).  I've made repeated requests for testing
> results/information, on the CA marshals list, on this list, in private
> emails & via other communication to everyone that I've heard of that I
> believe is or may be doing testing on these blunts.  Outside of my
> testing (that I either conducted or witnessed), I've gotten 3 reports
> from Cynder, 1 from Iain (did not include any shooting results), Robert
> the Bald (no specifics on how many shots, etc.. still waiting on more
> data/test results), 2 other people that I don't know (haven't heard of)
> one of whom has not replied to any of my questions (such as what
> kingdom, poundage of bow, etc), Richard (no shot testing, but testing to
> try and get penetration, basically limited force tests).
>
> I know of (off the top of my head) at least 8 different people that said
> they were doing testing, several of those I have heard did conduct
> testing, but even after asking several times, I still haven't gotten
> anything from them.  Today, I'm double checking to see who is doing what
> and where.  What is going on now is not sufficient to give me the data I
> need.  Due to that reason, I made testing report forms, including some
> that can be used on the field (to make it easier for the testers).  I
> hadn't posted it here, since I wanted to give the kingdom marshals a
> chance to review the testing report to offer their commentary.  I
> haven't gotten any yet (besides some comments from Seamus').  I'll go
> ahead and post those reports on my website (www.combat-archery.com),
> under the Report Forms and Inspection Guidelines link.  If I make any
> changes to the testing reports I will let y'all know.
>
> I'm not trying to say anything against those people that are already
> conducting any testing on these modified blunts.  My point and concern
> is that I'm not getting enough (or any from some people) information on
> what (if any) testing is being conducted.  Due to some problems and
> conflicts in testing results/data.. I did make the decision that (at
> this time) there shouldn't be any live testing.  We need to avoid more
> problems, not have more due to lack of data/specific testing.  Until I
> state that live testing is approved, there is to be NO LIVE Testing.  I
> am very serious about this.  Please make certain the word gets out about
> this, especially to anyone who is not on this list.
>
> There is a specific procedure that must be followed for all experimental
> designs/materials.  Step one is to contact your Kingdom Marshal if you
> want to conduct testing, to see what they need from you and if they
> approve you to conduct testing.  After this is done.. and initial
> testing is conducted, if and when the Kingdom Marshal feels it's ready
> for further testing, then they will contact me, with their initial
> results, a sample(s) and a testing plan.  If you want to see what this
> procedure is, please check my website and click "experimental
> procedures".  Until I approve it there is to be no live testing of any
> experimental design.  That's to prevent problems and possible injuries
> because x.. didn't have the data that I have or they didn't realize they
> should hvae checked x.. (etc, etc).. This way I know what's being used
> on the field and where.  Once I've given approval for live testing, I
> will respond with permission, that people can print out to show at
> events.  I will also add the design to my website under "Current
> Experimental Designs".  If the design is not listed there, it's not
> approved for live testing (just FYI.. for those marshals and MICs out
> there).  This must be done for each person who wants to conduct testing
> on experimental designs.  To try and explain that better.. if I approve
> Rupert (via Sir Tnek) to do live testing, that does not mean anyone else
> (in other kingdoms) are approved to conduct any live testing.
>
> No testing should be conducted at events/fighter practises without the
> prior approval and knowledge of your kingdom marshal.  Just FYI.. even
> if I approve a design for experimental testing, that does not mean any
> marshal has to allow live testing at x.. event.  We still need to follow
> established Society procedures for experimental designs.  This means the
> missiles need to be marked as experimental.  They need to be shown to
> the marshals and the fighters, before the fighting starts.  If anyone
> does not want to face x.. experimental design, it can't be used or
> tested during the battles (at least the ones where that fighter is
> fighting, if it's just one fighter with the concern).  Again, I'm not
> saying people are or aren't following these procedures, but I want to
> make certain everyone understands this.
>
> We need open lines of communication.  If you want to do any testing, you
> need to check for more information and guidelines from your kingdom
> marshal (This is the KEM and/or the Kingdom Combat Archery Marshal).
>  They may need more information then I do and they might have specific
> guidelines for what you need to do.
>
> Since there are concerns and rumors  on what's being reported and/or
> tested.. I wanted to clear the air :)  If you are conducting any testing
> of these blunts, please let me know ASAP. Cynder and her testers are and
> have done a great job of doing their testing and documenting it.  I'll
> be adding pictures of the testing box that they made and  used for some
> of their testing to my website (most likely under experimental
> procedures, check news for the specific spot).  I do not want Cynder,
> Quentus or Julian (sorry for any mis-spellings) to take any of this as
> directed towards them.  I know they have been working hard, conducting
> this testing.  However, I need more data/test results from other people
> and testers.  I need more data and as wide a pool of testers as possible
> (to try and prevent future problems).  I'm not getting this information.
>
> If you are conducting any testing, please let me know.. and use the
> testing report forms that I've created.  Testing that is conducted.. and
> the "report" that I get is that x.. was tested for 4 hours without any
> problems is not very helpful.  I need to know what was used as a target,
> what bow and poundage is used, etc.. (the information in the testing
> report).  If you are submitting a testing report.. it needs to be sent
> directly to me.  If you want to copy whatever CA email list, that is
> fine.  However, sending it to the list.. and not to me directly is not
> sufficient.  I would hate to miss a report, because it was sent to a
> list.. not directly to me.  If you send me a report, I will send you a
> confirmation that I rec'd it.  If I have any questions, I will let you
> know.  Please watch for this and reply as soon as you can.  BTW, if you
> are not the KCAM, you should make certain that gentle is copied on any
> reports that you make.
>
> That said.. I do believe we need to work together to find a modification
> that works well.  We also need to conduct testing to see if one
> modification works better than others.  We need more testers.  If you
> are willing and able to help with this testing, please contact your
> Kingdom combat archery marshal and volunteer (this will allow that KCAM
> to coordinate efforts within their borders).
>
> If you have questions about the experimental procedure, please contact
> your kingdom combat archery marshal.  I would be happy to help with what
> I can.. but your kingdom marshal can and may have stricter standards and
> procedures to follow.  So I strongly suggest and recommend that you work
> with them.
>
> I can't really force anyone into giving me their test results, but if I
> don't get these results.. it's not helping anyone...
>
> Please don't take this negatively..  I'm trying to point out some
> problems that I think are occurring and I'm trying to help correct them.
>  I want to make certain Cynder and her group know that their hard work
> is very appreciated. I do appreciate all of the reports that I've rec'd
> so far.. I just wish I had more of them. I hope that I will be receiving
> more reports and offers of assistance soon..
>
> Thank you,
>
> Tessa the Huntress, Deputy Society Marshal for Combat Archery
> tessathehuntress at earthlink.net
>
> Carolus Eulenhorst wrote:
>
> >First thing I have to say is THANK YOU.  Second is that I am not hearing
> >much of what anyone is doing.  I suspect there are people out there
> >working on ideas which may or may not have reached official status and
> >haven't been reported publicly.  Perhaps it is time for a check-in on who
> >is doing what and where the progress is.
> >
> >And again THANK YOU to everyone out there working on this.  Would those
> >on the list who know people working but not on the list please show them
> >a copy of this message?
> >
> >In service to the dream
> >Carolus von Eulenhorst
> >eulenhorst at juno.com
> >
> >
>
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