ARN - Heavy Rapier Only?

[Wayne Ross]

I called no one a second class citizen, including myself. Isobel was the one
who implied that by having a HR tourney, non-HR people would feel second
class. I simply turned her scenario into what happens now, while retaining
the same terminology. I meant no offense to anyone.

Duncan Hepburn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Gonzalez" <ROBGONZO at prodigy.net>
To: <ansteorra-rapier at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: ARN - Heavy Rapier Only?


> I am sorry that you would feel that way but honestly I can't see where you
> are coming from. After all you have your Epee/Foil authorization PLUS a HR
> authorization. You can fight HR in the main tourney at any event, anytime
> with the only caveat being that your opponent must also be HR authorized.
> PLUS you can also compete in whatever sideline HR tourneys there happens
to
> be. The HR authorization gives you options others don't have, that hardly
> makes you second class.
> I agree with Isobel that the switch will be gradual. As more people get HR
> authorized more and more opponents will say "yes" when asked if they want
to
> fight HR, and then very soon after hearing "No" will be as unusual as
seeing
> a rattan dagger.
>
> Roberto
> Bjornsborg
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayne Ross <wayner at languy.com>
> To: ansteorra-rapier at ansteorra.org <ansteorra-rapier at ansteorra.org>
> Date: Monday, February 28, 2000 12:18 PM
> Subject: Re: ARN - Heavy Rapier Only?
>
>
> >Please note that I did not call anyone a second class citizen.
> >
> >But while we are using that term, let me remind you that the current
status
> >quo makes HR fighters the second class citizens, because they are the
ones
> >having sideline tourneys.
> >
> >Just by giving HR main billing, it would not magically turn non-HR
princes
> >into second class frogs.
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >
> >Duncan Hepburn
> >.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "gptaylor" <gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>
> >To: <ansteorra-rapier at ansteorra.org>
> >Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 12:03 PM
> >Subject: Re: ARN - Heavy Rapier Only?
> >
> >
> >> IMHO, people will mainly have a problem when a previously open tourney
or
> >title
> >> becomes HR only.  I don't have a problem with a main tourney that was
> >designed
> >> HR-only originally.  It may subdivide the community somewhat and may
rile
> >> others...but the community is already subdivided, with some people
> >avoiding
> >> scenarios, judged tourneys, etc.  People will vote by not
> >attending...unless, of
> >> course, they think that the "other activities" are interesting enough
for
> >them,
> >> the "second class citizens".   Hmmm...it might be better NOT to have
> other
> >> activities.  I'll have to think more and get more input from folks.
> >>
> >> Isobel
> >>
> >> Wayne Ross wrote:
> >>
> >> > I already deleted Don Ansgar's post regarding giving people an option
> of
> >a
> >> > sideline HR-only tournament to supplement an open tourney, so I can't
> >quote
> >> > it. It did get my gears going, and this is an idea that came to me.
> >> >
> >> >  How about an event where the main list is HR only, but there is ALSO
> an
> >> > open tourney, so everyone can fight? This allows us to make the leap
to
> >a HR
> >> > only tourney at an event, and still allows those who choose not to
> fight
> >HR
> >> > to come and participate.
> >> >
> >> > By having HR as a sideline event, we are keeping it an auxilliary
> >activity.
> >> > By giving it higher billing (main list at an event), we give it
> momentum
> >to
> >> > become more accepted.
> >> >
> >> > Just my opinions.
> >> >
> >> > Duncan Hepburn
> >> > the Steppes of Ansteorra
> >> >
> >> >
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