[Ansteorra-rapier] Spears for heavy Rapier

[Cathal SilAlmhain]

I concede correction re: C&T and spear on all counts.

My amended statement is: I think spear in heavy rapier, if ever it is allowed, should be an authorization at the highest level, reserved for those few who have a great deal of experience and training.

Cathal.


--- On Mon, 4/20/09, Sean Hertzberg <colsith at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Sean Hertzberg <colsith at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-rapier] Spears for heavy Rapier
> To: "Ansteorra RapierNet" <ansteorra-rapier at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 12:16 PM
> As the current C&T Marshal for Ansteorra, I will agree
> with what Corvin has
> said below.  The idea of C&T melee is fun...but the
> facts are that the SCA
> tends to authorize to lowest common denominator.  We are
> the big tent and we
> try to let everyone play.  C&T is is VERY much not that
> idea.  We currently
> have about 240 authorized rapier fighters in Ansteorra.  We
> have a grand
> total of less than 20 authorized C&T fighters and the
> majority of those are
> also marshals.  As stated below, this is not just an
> advanced
> authorization.  And I will be very willing to say it will
> remain as such for
> the forseeable future.
> 
> One thing to remember...C&T is still new...and still
> judged as very strange
> and dangerous to some.  All it takes in one screw up and it
> can easily be
> gone.  It has happened in other kingdoms in the past.
> 
> Don Avery Shaw, Baron of Bryn Gwlad
> C&T Marshal, Ansteorra
> 
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Kevin Wilson
> <kevwilson at swbell.net> wrote:
> 
> > I seriously doubt we'll ever see a C&T in
> melees, and I'm not sure I'd want
> > to unless under VERY special and controlled
> circumstances.  Since we cannot
> > have C&T fighting vs. rapier, everyone would have
> to be doing C&T, and I
> > know I wouldn't want an entire army of rapier
> fighters doing C&T.
> >
> > C&T isn't just 'grad school rapier',
> being done by more
> > advanced/experienced fighters.  It's the study of
> Historical Technique being
> > applied in a way that is still considered new to the
> SCA.  The Society tends
> > to allow anyone who didn't injure their opponent
> in an authorization fight
> > the OK to fight with rapier (both heavy and light). 
> That is not the case
> > for C&T, nor should it be.  Every authorized
> C&T fighter has trained and
> > shown that they can fight with technique and control
> under any circumstance
> > they are likely to face.  It is FAR too easy to
> escalate calibration in
> > melees.  Doing so with a rapier leads to hard shots
> and lack of control,
> > occasionally injuring someone.  Lack of control and
> hard hits in C&T will
> > OFTEN injure someone.
> >
> > As for the spear/pike idea, while I'd love for
> melees to become more
> > historically accurate, I think that the potential for
> injury and squabbling
> > is greater than what we'd gain from doing it.
> >
> > Corvin
> >
> >
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