[Ansteorra-rapier] Proposed revision to rapier rules

Wed Oct 10 10:10:48 PDT 2012

Hmmm...did it pop into your mind just after reading my first email on this
thread?  What a coincidence...
:-D

Doré

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:06 PM, David Cordes <david.cordes at gmail.com>wrote:

> I couldn't say!  ;-)  It was one of those "hang on a minute...this
> just might work" ideas.  Ya know, the ones that can either work well
> or be a complete disaster, and there's no way to tell in advance...
>
> Asbiorn
>
>
> On 10 October 2012 12:03, James Crouchet <james at crouchet.com> wrote:
> > Good idea. Why didn't I think of that?  ;-)
> >
> > Doré
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:00 PM, David Cordes <david.cordes at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> This is quite true.  However, when the medical condition in question
> >> is something temporary (maybe something that's mostly better, but
> >> needs the exercise), or is merely a muscle weakness that could be
> >> overcome with some work, then use of a light blade would allow someone
> >> to fence who otherwise could not.
> >>
> >> Its struck me that many of the arguments being made in favor of the
> >> use of light blade apply particularly to practice situations, rather
> >> than tournaments.  As something of a compromise measure, would it be
> >> workable to allow light blade in practice, but to go with the proposed
> >> change for tournaments?
> >>
> >> Asbiorn
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10 October 2012 11:53, Barone Orlando Di Gilead
> >> <orlando at agilejedi.com> wrote:
> >> > On medical needs. We want to be as inclusive as possible BUT there
> will
> >> > always be a point when a persons medical condition makes it difficult
> to
> >> > participate in a sport.
> >> >
> >> > Orlando
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wednesday, October 10, 2012, David Cordes wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> While I think the idea is in general a good one, there are a couple
> of
> >> >> specific issues that I have with it.
> >> >>
> >> >> The first of these is cost-based.  Yes, heavy rapiers are relatively
> >> >> cheap and readily available today, but particularly for someone with
> >> >> little disposable income (people like students, at least in theory!),
> >> >> a light blade is potentially a more practical investment.
> >> >>
> >> >> The second concern is more fundamental, I think.  If or when this
> >> >> measure goes through, what happens to those who for medical reasons
> >> >> (generally problems of some sort in the arm) cannot use a heavy blade
> >> >> (or at least cannot use it for any useful amount of time)?  Yes, the
> >> >> proposed change allows for variances from it, but by the current
> >> >> wording, this is only for individual events.  This change would mean
> >> >> that those fencers could only fence at events where they notified the
> >> >> marshal in charge that they were going to be attending and wanting to
> >> >> fence with light blade more than a month in advance, and that said
> >> >> marshal in charge got the appropriate permission, more than a month
> >> >> before the event.  The other question with respect to this, is what
> >> >> happens at practices?  If its an official practice, would we still be
> >> >> able to give people who come up and express an interest the chance to
> >> >> try fencing with  a light blade?
> >> >>
> >> >> In service
> >> >> Asbiorn
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 10 October 2012 09:04, Pug Bainter <pug at pug.net> wrote:
> >> >> > Good Morning,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >   As some folks know, we are working on reducing the Kingdom Rapier
> >> >> > rules
> >> >> > down to match the other marshal areas by simply being statements of
> >> >> > where we
> >> >> > differ from Society. This greatly reduces the complexity while
> >> >> > improving
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > clarify of our rules. It also allows for less churn when Society
> >> >> > makes
> >> >> > changes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >   When discussing this recently with the Don Iago (KRM), Sir John
> >> >> > (KEM),
> >> >> > Duke Ulsted (KSen) and Their August Majesties, I made a proposal
> >> >> > which
> >> >> > generated a concern there may be some pushback based on earlier
> >> >> > discussions.
> >> >> > Because of this concern, I asked permission to socialize this item
> >> >> > with
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > community to see if the concerns are still warranted.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >   First, and foremost, we are a historical recreation group. This
> >> >> > means
> >> >> > we
> >> >> > need to be able to remember our history from time to time. Because
> of
> >> >> > that,
> >> >> > the wording on this was very specific.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >   It has come to pass that the evolution of our fencing blades has
> >> >> > been
> >> >> > successful and the fading out of light rapier blades has succeeded.
> >> >> > As
> >> >> > part
> >> >> > of our rules simplification, there is one item I would like to
> >> >> > propose
> >> >> > because it is in reality but not in law.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Ansteorra convention: Except under the Youth Rapier Program, Light
> >> >> > Rapier is
> >> >> > to be eliminated within the borders of Ansteorra effective March
> >> >> > 17th,
> >> >> > 2013.
> >> >> > After that date, Light Rapier blades can only be used with
> variances
> >> >> > obtained in writing from the Kingdom Rapier Marshal at least 30
> days
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > advance such as for historical SCA theme events. Ansteorra’s Rapier
> >> >> > authorizations permit use of Light Rapier blades at out of Kingdom
> >> >> > events
> >> >> > where allowed.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >   In order to make sure we don’t cause any knee jerk reactions, the
> >> >> > date
> >> >> > suggested here is to ensure that it will be published in the
> >> >> > BlackStar
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > socialized at Gulf Wars with our rapier community before going into
> >> >> > effect.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >   When first thinking through the elimination of light rapier
> blades
> >> >> > (foils
> >> >> > & epees), it concerned me a great bit because of Bryn Gwlad just
> >> >> > recently
> >> >> > having an anniversary event where some of the older equipment was
> not
> >> >> > only
> >> >> > displayed for viewing, but also used in a tournament. The wording
> was
> >> >> > selected to allow for that in case others were interested in these
> >> >> > types
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > nostalgic events as well.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >   Going back to us being a historical recreation group, the styles
> of
> >> >> > weapon
> >> >> > we call a foil and epee today were created in the late 17th to 19th
> >> >> > century
> >> >> > replacing the blades that we are commonly using within our heavy
> >> >> > rapier
> >> >> > program. So while we may be taking a step back from our origins as
> an
> >> >> > organization, we are taking a step forward by disallowing
> >> >> > historically
> >> >> > inaccurate weapons.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >   There are some other arguments that could be used to counter this
> >> >> > that
> >> >> > have show> _______________________________________________
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> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
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> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
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> >> >
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