[Ansteorra-rapier] Proposed revision to rapier rules

Wed Oct 10 10:06:09 PDT 2012

I couldn't say!  ;-)  It was one of those "hang on a minute...this
just might work" ideas.  Ya know, the ones that can either work well
or be a complete disaster, and there's no way to tell in advance...

Asbiorn

On 10 October 2012 12:03, James Crouchet <james at crouchet.com> wrote:
> Good idea. Why didn't I think of that?  ;-)
>
> Doré
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:00 PM, David Cordes <david.cordes at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> This is quite true.  However, when the medical condition in question
>> is something temporary (maybe something that's mostly better, but
>> needs the exercise), or is merely a muscle weakness that could be
>> overcome with some work, then use of a light blade would allow someone
>> to fence who otherwise could not.
>>
>> Its struck me that many of the arguments being made in favor of the
>> use of light blade apply particularly to practice situations, rather
>> than tournaments.  As something of a compromise measure, would it be
>> workable to allow light blade in practice, but to go with the proposed
>> change for tournaments?
>>
>> Asbiorn
>>
>>
>> On 10 October 2012 11:53, Barone Orlando Di Gilead
>> <orlando at agilejedi.com> wrote:
>> > On medical needs. We want to be as inclusive as possible BUT there will
>> > always be a point when a persons medical condition makes it difficult to
>> > participate in a sport.
>> >
>> > Orlando
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wednesday, October 10, 2012, David Cordes wrote:
>> >>
>> >> While I think the idea is in general a good one, there are a couple of
>> >> specific issues that I have with it.
>> >>
>> >> The first of these is cost-based.  Yes, heavy rapiers are relatively
>> >> cheap and readily available today, but particularly for someone with
>> >> little disposable income (people like students, at least in theory!),
>> >> a light blade is potentially a more practical investment.
>> >>
>> >> The second concern is more fundamental, I think.  If or when this
>> >> measure goes through, what happens to those who for medical reasons
>> >> (generally problems of some sort in the arm) cannot use a heavy blade
>> >> (or at least cannot use it for any useful amount of time)?  Yes, the
>> >> proposed change allows for variances from it, but by the current
>> >> wording, this is only for individual events.  This change would mean
>> >> that those fencers could only fence at events where they notified the
>> >> marshal in charge that they were going to be attending and wanting to
>> >> fence with light blade more than a month in advance, and that said
>> >> marshal in charge got the appropriate permission, more than a month
>> >> before the event.  The other question with respect to this, is what
>> >> happens at practices?  If its an official practice, would we still be
>> >> able to give people who come up and express an interest the chance to
>> >> try fencing with  a light blade?
>> >>
>> >> In service
>> >> Asbiorn
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 10 October 2012 09:04, Pug Bainter <pug at pug.net> wrote:
>> >> > Good Morning,
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >   As some folks know, we are working on reducing the Kingdom Rapier
>> >> > rules
>> >> > down to match the other marshal areas by simply being statements of
>> >> > where we
>> >> > differ from Society. This greatly reduces the complexity while
>> >> > improving
>> >> > the
>> >> > clarify of our rules. It also allows for less churn when Society
>> >> > makes
>> >> > changes.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >   When discussing this recently with the Don Iago (KRM), Sir John
>> >> > (KEM),
>> >> > Duke Ulsted (KSen) and Their August Majesties, I made a proposal
>> >> > which
>> >> > generated a concern there may be some pushback based on earlier
>> >> > discussions.
>> >> > Because of this concern, I asked permission to socialize this item
>> >> > with
>> >> > the
>> >> > community to see if the concerns are still warranted.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >   First, and foremost, we are a historical recreation group. This
>> >> > means
>> >> > we
>> >> > need to be able to remember our history from time to time. Because of
>> >> > that,
>> >> > the wording on this was very specific.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >   It has come to pass that the evolution of our fencing blades has
>> >> > been
>> >> > successful and the fading out of light rapier blades has succeeded.
>> >> > As
>> >> > part
>> >> > of our rules simplification, there is one item I would like to
>> >> > propose
>> >> > because it is in reality but not in law.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Ansteorra convention: Except under the Youth Rapier Program, Light
>> >> > Rapier is
>> >> > to be eliminated within the borders of Ansteorra effective March
>> >> > 17th,
>> >> > 2013.
>> >> > After that date, Light Rapier blades can only be used with variances
>> >> > obtained in writing from the Kingdom Rapier Marshal at least 30 days
>> >> > in
>> >> > advance such as for historical SCA theme events. Ansteorra’s Rapier
>> >> > authorizations permit use of Light Rapier blades at out of Kingdom
>> >> > events
>> >> > where allowed.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >   In order to make sure we don’t cause any knee jerk reactions, the
>> >> > date
>> >> > suggested here is to ensure that it will be published in the
>> >> > BlackStar
>> >> > and
>> >> > socialized at Gulf Wars with our rapier community before going into
>> >> > effect.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >   When first thinking through the elimination of light rapier blades
>> >> > (foils
>> >> > & epees), it concerned me a great bit because of Bryn Gwlad just
>> >> > recently
>> >> > having an anniversary event where some of the older equipment was not
>> >> > only
>> >> > displayed for viewing, but also used in a tournament. The wording was
>> >> > selected to allow for that in case others were interested in these
>> >> > types
>> >> > of
>> >> > nostalgic events as well.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >   Going back to us being a historical recreation group, the styles of
>> >> > weapon
>> >> > we call a foil and epee today were created in the late 17th to 19th
>> >> > century
>> >> > replacing the blades that we are commonly using within our heavy
>> >> > rapier
>> >> > program. So while we may be taking a step back from our origins as an
>> >> > organization, we are taking a step forward by disallowing
>> >> > historically
>> >> > inaccurate weapons.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >   There are some other arguments that could be used to counter this
>> >> > that
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