[Ansteorra-rapier] Proposed revision to rapier rules

James Crouchet james at crouchet.com
Wed Oct 10 10:03:16 PDT 2012


Good idea. Why didn't I think of that?  ;-)

Doré

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:00 PM, David Cordes <david.cordes at gmail.com>wrote:

> This is quite true.  However, when the medical condition in question
> is something temporary (maybe something that's mostly better, but
> needs the exercise), or is merely a muscle weakness that could be
> overcome with some work, then use of a light blade would allow someone
> to fence who otherwise could not.
>
> Its struck me that many of the arguments being made in favor of the
> use of light blade apply particularly to practice situations, rather
> than tournaments.  As something of a compromise measure, would it be
> workable to allow light blade in practice, but to go with the proposed
> change for tournaments?
>
> Asbiorn
>
>
> On 10 October 2012 11:53, Barone Orlando Di Gilead
> <orlando at agilejedi.com> wrote:
> > On medical needs. We want to be as inclusive as possible BUT there will
> > always be a point when a persons medical condition makes it difficult to
> > participate in a sport.
> >
> > Orlando
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, October 10, 2012, David Cordes wrote:
> >>
> >> While I think the idea is in general a good one, there are a couple of
> >> specific issues that I have with it.
> >>
> >> The first of these is cost-based.  Yes, heavy rapiers are relatively
> >> cheap and readily available today, but particularly for someone with
> >> little disposable income (people like students, at least in theory!),
> >> a light blade is potentially a more practical investment.
> >>
> >> The second concern is more fundamental, I think.  If or when this
> >> measure goes through, what happens to those who for medical reasons
> >> (generally problems of some sort in the arm) cannot use a heavy blade
> >> (or at least cannot use it for any useful amount of time)?  Yes, the
> >> proposed change allows for variances from it, but by the current
> >> wording, this is only for individual events.  This change would mean
> >> that those fencers could only fence at events where they notified the
> >> marshal in charge that they were going to be attending and wanting to
> >> fence with light blade more than a month in advance, and that said
> >> marshal in charge got the appropriate permission, more than a month
> >> before the event.  The other question with respect to this, is what
> >> happens at practices?  If its an official practice, would we still be
> >> able to give people who come up and express an interest the chance to
> >> try fencing with  a light blade?
> >>
> >> In service
> >> Asbiorn
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10 October 2012 09:04, Pug Bainter <pug at pug.net> wrote:
> >> > Good Morning,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >   As some folks know, we are working on reducing the Kingdom Rapier
> >> > rules
> >> > down to match the other marshal areas by simply being statements of
> >> > where we
> >> > differ from Society. This greatly reduces the complexity while
> improving
> >> > the
> >> > clarify of our rules. It also allows for less churn when Society makes
> >> > changes.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >   When discussing this recently with the Don Iago (KRM), Sir John
> (KEM),
> >> > Duke Ulsted (KSen) and Their August Majesties, I made a proposal which
> >> > generated a concern there may be some pushback based on earlier
> >> > discussions.
> >> > Because of this concern, I asked permission to socialize this item
> with
> >> > the
> >> > community to see if the concerns are still warranted.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >   First, and foremost, we are a historical recreation group. This
> means
> >> > we
> >> > need to be able to remember our history from time to time. Because of
> >> > that,
> >> > the wording on this was very specific.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >   It has come to pass that the evolution of our fencing blades has
> been
> >> > successful and the fading out of light rapier blades has succeeded. As
> >> > part
> >> > of our rules simplification, there is one item I would like to propose
> >> > because it is in reality but not in law.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Ansteorra convention: Except under the Youth Rapier Program, Light
> >> > Rapier is
> >> > to be eliminated within the borders of Ansteorra effective March 17th,
> >> > 2013.
> >> > After that date, Light Rapier blades can only be used with variances
> >> > obtained in writing from the Kingdom Rapier Marshal at least 30 days
> in
> >> > advance such as for historical SCA theme events. Ansteorra’s Rapier
> >> > authorizations permit use of Light Rapier blades at out of Kingdom
> >> > events
> >> > where allowed.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >   In order to make sure we don’t cause any knee jerk reactions, the
> date
> >> > suggested here is to ensure that it will be published in the BlackStar
> >> > and
> >> > socialized at Gulf Wars with our rapier community before going into
> >> > effect.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >   When first thinking through the elimination of light rapier blades
> >> > (foils
> >> > & epees), it concerned me a great bit because of Bryn Gwlad just
> >> > recently
> >> > having an anniversary event where some of the older equipment was not
> >> > only
> >> > displayed for viewing, but also used in a tournament. The wording was
> >> > selected to allow for that in case others were interested in these
> types
> >> > of
> >> > nostalgic events as well.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >   Going back to us being a historical recreation group, the styles of
> >> > weapon
> >> > we call a foil and epee today were created in the late 17th to 19th
> >> > century
> >> > replacing the blades that we are commonly using within our heavy
> rapier
> >> > program. So while we may be taking a step back from our origins as an
> >> > organization, we are taking a step forward by disallowing historically
> >> > inaccurate weapons.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >   There are some other arguments that could be used to counter this
> that
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> >>
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