[Ansteorra-rapier] Proposed revision to rapier rules

David Cordes david.cordes at gmail.com
Wed Oct 10 10:00:20 PDT 2012


This is quite true.  However, when the medical condition in question
is something temporary (maybe something that's mostly better, but
needs the exercise), or is merely a muscle weakness that could be
overcome with some work, then use of a light blade would allow someone
to fence who otherwise could not.

Its struck me that many of the arguments being made in favor of the
use of light blade apply particularly to practice situations, rather
than tournaments.  As something of a compromise measure, would it be
workable to allow light blade in practice, but to go with the proposed
change for tournaments?

Asbiorn


On 10 October 2012 11:53, Barone Orlando Di Gilead
<orlando at agilejedi.com> wrote:
> On medical needs. We want to be as inclusive as possible BUT there will
> always be a point when a persons medical condition makes it difficult to
> participate in a sport.
>
> Orlando
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 10, 2012, David Cordes wrote:
>>
>> While I think the idea is in general a good one, there are a couple of
>> specific issues that I have with it.
>>
>> The first of these is cost-based.  Yes, heavy rapiers are relatively
>> cheap and readily available today, but particularly for someone with
>> little disposable income (people like students, at least in theory!),
>> a light blade is potentially a more practical investment.
>>
>> The second concern is more fundamental, I think.  If or when this
>> measure goes through, what happens to those who for medical reasons
>> (generally problems of some sort in the arm) cannot use a heavy blade
>> (or at least cannot use it for any useful amount of time)?  Yes, the
>> proposed change allows for variances from it, but by the current
>> wording, this is only for individual events.  This change would mean
>> that those fencers could only fence at events where they notified the
>> marshal in charge that they were going to be attending and wanting to
>> fence with light blade more than a month in advance, and that said
>> marshal in charge got the appropriate permission, more than a month
>> before the event.  The other question with respect to this, is what
>> happens at practices?  If its an official practice, would we still be
>> able to give people who come up and express an interest the chance to
>> try fencing with  a light blade?
>>
>> In service
>> Asbiorn
>>
>>
>> On 10 October 2012 09:04, Pug Bainter <pug at pug.net> wrote:
>> > Good Morning,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >   As some folks know, we are working on reducing the Kingdom Rapier
>> > rules
>> > down to match the other marshal areas by simply being statements of
>> > where we
>> > differ from Society. This greatly reduces the complexity while improving
>> > the
>> > clarify of our rules. It also allows for less churn when Society makes
>> > changes.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >   When discussing this recently with the Don Iago (KRM), Sir John (KEM),
>> > Duke Ulsted (KSen) and Their August Majesties, I made a proposal which
>> > generated a concern there may be some pushback based on earlier
>> > discussions.
>> > Because of this concern, I asked permission to socialize this item with
>> > the
>> > community to see if the concerns are still warranted.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >   First, and foremost, we are a historical recreation group. This means
>> > we
>> > need to be able to remember our history from time to time. Because of
>> > that,
>> > the wording on this was very specific.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >   It has come to pass that the evolution of our fencing blades has been
>> > successful and the fading out of light rapier blades has succeeded. As
>> > part
>> > of our rules simplification, there is one item I would like to propose
>> > because it is in reality but not in law.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Ansteorra convention: Except under the Youth Rapier Program, Light
>> > Rapier is
>> > to be eliminated within the borders of Ansteorra effective March 17th,
>> > 2013.
>> > After that date, Light Rapier blades can only be used with variances
>> > obtained in writing from the Kingdom Rapier Marshal at least 30 days in
>> > advance such as for historical SCA theme events. Ansteorra’s Rapier
>> > authorizations permit use of Light Rapier blades at out of Kingdom
>> > events
>> > where allowed.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >   In order to make sure we don’t cause any knee jerk reactions, the date
>> > suggested here is to ensure that it will be published in the BlackStar
>> > and
>> > socialized at Gulf Wars with our rapier community before going into
>> > effect.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >   When first thinking through the elimination of light rapier blades
>> > (foils
>> > & epees), it concerned me a great bit because of Bryn Gwlad just
>> > recently
>> > having an anniversary event where some of the older equipment was not
>> > only
>> > displayed for viewing, but also used in a tournament. The wording was
>> > selected to allow for that in case others were interested in these types
>> > of
>> > nostalgic events as well.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >   Going back to us being a historical recreation group, the styles of
>> > weapon
>> > we call a foil and epee today were created in the late 17th to 19th
>> > century
>> > replacing the blades that we are commonly using within our heavy rapier
>> > program. So while we may be taking a step back from our origins as an
>> > organization, we are taking a step forward by disallowing historically
>> > inaccurate weapons.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >   There are some other arguments that could be used to counter this that
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