[BG-heralds] Cadhla &c device

tmcd at panix.com tmcd at panix.com
Tue May 17 21:52:21 PDT 2011


Cadhla, I haven't heard back from you.  Please let me know whether you
got this.  It's rather a lot to digest, I know.  -- DdL, tmcd at panix.com

On Sun, 8 May 2011, tmcd at panix.com wrote:

> Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 23:39:13 -0500 (CDT)
> From: tmcd at panix.com
> To: bethel.jessica at gmail.com
> Cc: bg-heralds at lists.ansteorra.org
> Subject: Cadhla &c device
>
> Dear Cadhla ("Cadhla" is the one part of your name that I'm sure of):
>
> You asked me to look into your device and its apparent change by
> Laurel.  Due perhaps to the early date of your registration, there are
> some extra complexities that you might want to know about.
>
> In short, your current registered name is
>       Cadhla Morag nicChlurain of Tregdin
> and your current registered device is
>       Azure, a mullet sable fimbriated between six mullets in annulo
>       Or.
> with straight arms, the middle one black with white trim, the others
> entirely white.
>
> Are these your preferences?  If you'd prefer
>     Cadhla of Treghdin
> (your original listed name) and/or
>     Azure, within six estoiles in annulo argent, an estoile sable
>     fimbriated argent.
> (the same design but with wavy arms on the stars instead of straight
> arms), then we'd have to go deeper to see about that.  Depending on
> the details of who did what and when, I can't guarantee at all that
> these other form(s) could still be registered to you.
>
>
>
> These are all the grungy details that I know of.
>
> - On the October 1973 Laurel Letter of Acceptances and Returns (LoAR),
>   <http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/1973/10/lar.htm>, is
>
>     Cadhla of Treghdin. Azure, within six estoiles in annulo argent,
>     an estoile sable fimbriated argent.
>
>   An "estoile" in heraldry is a star, usually six-pointed, with wavy
>   arms.  This says there was a blue background, with a black center
>   estoile with a white outline, and around it 6 white estoiles in a
>   circle.
>
> In your folder in the Laurel office were these pieces of paper:
>
> - A form titled "HISTORICAL INFORMATION FOR THE GREAT BOOK OF ARMS".
>   It is stamped "Sep 9 1973".  It gives your name as Cadhla of
>   Treghdin.  The rest of the form is in different handwriting.  It
>   blazons the device submission (q.v.) as "Azure, 6 mullets in circle,
>   argent, surrounding a mullet, sable, finbriated argent".
>
>   A "mullet" in heraldry is a star, usually five-pointed, with
>   straight arms.
>
>   So note that this description in words ("blazon") doesn't match the
>   blazon on the October 1973 LoAR.
>
> - A form with a device, lozenge-shaped.  The design matches the blazon
>   just above.  In particular, the stars are all straight-armed, making
>   them heraldically "mullets".  On the top is written in black ink
>   "Cadhla of Treghdin".  Scribbled over/around it using red ink and in
>   different handwriting is
>
>          Morag nicChlurain of
>   Cadhla [of scratched ou] Treg[h scratched out]din
>          Nic [stuff scratched out]
>
>   Note that the name doesn't match the LoAR registration or the
>   Historical Information form.  Also, this picture doesn't match the
>   blazon in the October 1973 LoAR.
>
> - A card dated Sep 13, 1980, to Cadhla Morag nicChlurain of Tregdin,
>   "to confirm that on Nov 01, 1975, we approved in your name:
>
>   "Azure, within six estoiles in annulo argent, an estoile sable
>   fimbriated argent".
>
>   Note that
>   = The name matches a version of the device form, but not the
>     Historical Information form or the original LoAR.
>   = The registration date is off by a couple of years.  That's not
>     uncommon for submissions from the early years.  At least once,
>     the data files for the SCA Armorial were entirely lost and
>     everything had to be typed in again.
>   = The blazon matches the LoAR but not the device sketch.
>
> - The August 2005 Laurel Letter of Acceptances and Returns,
>   <http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2005/08/05-08lar.html>, had a reblazon
>   listed as
>
>       Cadhla Morag nicChlurain of Tregdin.  Reblazon of device. Azure,
>       a mullet sable fimbriated between six mullets in annulo Or.
>
>           Originally registered 11/1975 and blazoned as Azure, within
>           six estoiles in annulo argent, an estoile sable fimbriated
>           argent, the charges are actually mullets not estoiles.
>
>   The general principle is "We register the emblazon [the picture],
>   not the blazon [the words used to describe the picture]."  That is,
>   if the picture or the blazon don't match, the picture wins.
>
>   If you go only by the picture in the files, this was a correct
>   action.
>
> - The Armorial, the listing of names and armory registered in the SCA,
>   gives your name as Cadhla Morag nicChlurain of Tregdin, with an
>   original name and device registration date of November 1975,
>   which matches the card.
>
>
>
> I attach the Laurel-office file scans.  Since there are other people
> on the CC list, I removed the Personal Identifying Information other
> than your SCA name(s).
>
> If any of this is unclear, please let me know.
>
> Daniel de Lincolnia
> --
> Tim McDaniel; Reply-To: tmcd at panix.com



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