ES - Stepping Down

[Darius and Monica]

Greetings, 
Concerning the short time and the issue of a gap between seated landed
nobility. In my humble opinion a short polling can be more beneficial
than allowing 2 or more months to pass. As one of the couples who have
ask their Majesties for an interview and the Barony's consideration for
this office, I must say, that it is better for the group, as a whole, if
we can have a smooth change from one Landed Baronage to their
successors. In the past, having a Vicar and Vicaress and a long period
in which to consider options has created more problems for groups in
this Kingdom than it has solved. The succession of the Baronial Coronets
shakes the foundation upon which we have built our social structure. 

On another note, I am sure their Majesties will try to consider all of
the populace and not just a singular portion. If you feel strongly about
one candidate or another, then let your voice be heard. I believe their
Majesties would indeed hear and consider those words that have been sent
to them in private, weather or not the individual sending the missive
can make it on the 28th. 

Between now and Moot are several meetings, fighter practices, events,
and even a demo in Glaslyn at which the populace will be able to find
and speak with the candidates themselves. I encourage all to do this and
ask the questions that weigh upon your mind. If you wish more private
consultation with the candidates or are unable to attend the before
mentioned places please give them a call. I know that we stand ready to
address the concerns of our friends and our family that is Elfsea.

HL Darius of the Bells
HL Rosalia O Brogan
(817)459-3553

Amy and Bill Morris wrote:
> 
> But there are very real issues here.
> Primus:  I have lived through several such events in my almost 20 years in
> the SCA, and have at least another half dozen in neighboring baronies.
> These ranged from resounding successes to complete disasters resulting in
> the loss of more than half the active locals.  Most were in the middle.  I
> don't see any chance for a disaster here.  What I see is a lost opportunity
> for a resounding success.  Because none of the few disasters had careful
> polling, and all of the few resounding successes did have careful polling.
> Secundus:  Kingdom law states that we will follow corpora, which you quote
> below.  And Their Majesties have sworn to uphold Kingdom law.  They have
> also sworn to protect us from harm.  Corpora has these provisions for the
> good and simple reason that other baronies have come to harm by not
> following these guidelines.
> 
> Thus both common sense and duty say that the barony's opinion must be
> requested and received, not just the opinion of some of the barony, and not
> just requested but received.  What we are offered is less than three weeks
> notice to arrange to be at a certain time and place, with no provision for
> replying by mail, since the list of candidates is still open.  In addition
> what about paid members not subscribed to the Scroll?  I would submit that
> this proposal does not comply.  This is the kind of situation for which the
> office of Vicar was originally created, to span a gap between Barons or
> Baronesses.  I would much rather see you and Allesandre (or someone else)
> assume the Barony of Elfsea through a process that no one could possibly
> object to, even if we have a Vicar/Vicaress for a month or two.  This would
> also go some way to rehabilitating the office of the Vicarate which is
> suffering somewhat from disrepute.
> 
> >From a period standpoint it was common that a liege lord be required to seek
> council from his subject about certain matters.  The English kings were
> required to summon Parliament for in a time and place convenient for the
> lords.  John's failure to do so was a chief reason for Magna Carta.    The
> subject are required to offer 'auxilium et consilium' to their liege and the
> liege is required to seek both service and council.
> 
> On a practical note, could we do most of the polling at the February meeting
> and allow others to mail in or offer their opinions in March?  Or perhaps
> set up a special get-together?  I appreciate that speed is of the essence
> and would like to find a way of satisfying all concerned.
> 
> Mableth
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Mitchell <pmitchel at flash.net>
> To: <elfsea at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 10:17 PM
> Subject: Re: ES - Stepping Down
> 
> > Galen here...
> >
> >
> > No, their oath certainly requires no such thing.  More to the point,
> > the _Corpora_ of the SCA (available on-line at http://www.sca.org)
> > does require them to poll the membership of the barony, to whit:
> >
> > :VI.B.1.a. The Crown shall appoint a territorial Baron and/or Baroness
> > :according to the laws and customs of the kingdom when a branch is
> > :granted baronial status, and at such subsequent times as a new Baron
> > :and/or Baroness is required. The barony's opinion on the matter must
> > :be requested and received in writing, and the appointments must not be
> > :substantively opposed by the populace of the barony.
> >
> 
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