ES - Shooting the Duck....

[Wilim Penbras]

Good afternoon All,
     In a small effort to keep Maria from getting blasted I'm going to toss my two cents in here too.  In fifty words or less:


Past experience is a wonderful thing and newcomers can learn a lot from it. (13)
If it couldn't be done because of some stupid mundane rule or lack of facilites then we wait until that's changed and try over. (24)
Too much unsolicited 'past-experience' is discouraging for newcomers. (9)

Woo Hoo, 46 words.  Seriously though I'm not entirely sure that a duck's been sacrificed in any recent conversations but the principle is sound.  Be encouraging when you can or all that new comer energy is going to be over in AMTGuard.

As to the recent conversations,  ideas have to be maeliable and open to change.  Yes, alot of times the result looks absolutely nothing like the original intent but the key is to keep it from getting corrupted so the goal is still met.

I'm not entirely sure any ducks have been shot but I understand where Maria is coming from as an even newer newcomer.

In Service to the Seam... Darn too much garb making.

     Wilim Penbras ap Gergeneu
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Christine Huse" <maria_elfsea at hotmail.com>
Reply-To: elfsea at ansteorra.org
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:01:44 -0600

>Buenos Dias!
>
>Ok, I know I'm going to get blasted for this...
>
>I hate being told that I can't do something before I have been given a 
>chance to do something. My grandpa (an avid hunter when he was younger) 
>always told me, "Hon, never shoot the duck before it leaves the ground". In 
>other words, don't shoot down someone's ideas before they get a chance let 
>their ideas take flight.
>
>When Passage of Arms came around, a call was asked for bids. I was the only 
>bidder. At that time, there was no set site. I looked around and found 3 
>possible sites. I decided on the public park because it was convienent for 
>all of us and had some really great amenities (like the fireplace, 
>playground and bathrooms). When I posted that I was currently in the stages 
>of getting approval for the park as the site. I was hit immediately with a 
>dozen or more e-mails (public ones and some very nasty private ones) stating 
>that there was no way we could hold the archery at the park. Being stubborn 
>(it's that mundane German blood that runs through me), I pushed on and 
>through alot of calls and persistance, I got approval.
>
>Now we are discussing what to do with children in general. There have been 
>only a handful of people on this list who are trying to give positive ideas. 
>Everytime, we post something that is a really good idea and warrants looking 
>into....The duck gets shot.
>
>If you have a problem with the discussion, that's fine, but instead of just 
>giving negative feedback, why not give your ideas on how to improve the 
>situation or the idea? Why do some folks feel that it's OK to shoot 
>another's idea down without giving a positive feedback? These negative 
>feedbacks with no positive comments can really cause hard feelings. They can 
>potentially drive away current members and drive off completely any 
>newcomers reading these posts or making a post.
>
>Maria
>
>
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