[Elfsea] I Have A Dream . . . . . Land
eleanor_cleavely at yahoo.com
Mon Oct 1 18:22:11 PDT 2001
I think this is an interesting idea that could have
great merit. We would need to tread very carefully on
the legal and financial issues but I think it may be
doable. The only problem we would have (that I can
see) is the price of the land when selling it to
members of the barony. But, being a
non-math/non-business person, I'd leave that up to
those with suitable minds.
My Lord Gustav, your email is inspiring in itself. I
am glad there are those in the Barony like you and I
am honored to count you as a true friend. I remain...
Eleanor, Lady Cleavely
--- Synrik <synrik at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Sorry for having been off-line for the last couple
> of days, but pampering
> a household that has sinus infections takes a little
> I Have A Dream . . . . . Land
> I would first like to start this off by saying that
> I have no problems
> with Tanglewood itself. In fact, I find it as
> inspiring as the site used
> by Ravens Fort. I truly enjoyed the sight and
> being able to gaze up at
> the stars and walk with my lady in peace, love and
> just a little
> tranquillity. Having to walk a little way for
> water, or to remember to
> fill the solar showers for that evening didnt even
> slow me down. But it
> did remind me of my own childhood and some of the
> things that I would like
> out of like.
> I found it inspiring.
> Inspiring enough to take some of the plans that one
> of my friends in
> Namron has and look at them again from the light of
> the Barony or the
> Kingdom at large. It can be done. Im not saying
> that it would be easy
> or quick. But that with hard work and planning,
> many peoples dreams can
> come alive in this current middle ages.
> But then again, I may be beating a dead horse
> But, for those that do want to hear what Ive come
> up with, they can read
> Please also remember that even though I may dream
> big, this also applies
> to the Baronial level as well.
> First off, for a Kingdom level War field, you need
> about 100+ acres to
> work with. If you find land around Mexia or just
> east of Waco, then you
> may have the regular support of four large Baronies.
> But the land in
> Texas is expensive. If you find that kind of land
> around Ardmore (OK),
> then you have the support for three large baronies.
> The land is cheaper
> and only about an hour and a half from each barony.
> At the same time, you find out from the Barons and
> the populace of each of
> the Baronies how much support there is for such a
> venture. Also, you find
> out from the populace what they exactly want in
> there own war field. Once
> the preliminary scouting has been done, then the
> legal and finical work
> can begin.
> One way to get backing for such a venture is to form
> a Ansteorrian co-op
> and selling off lots around the edge of the land to
> people to use as
> weekend get-away's and the like. The pricing of the
> lots could be twice
> the price of what the land is valued at and sell it
> off in half acre
> lots. Land grants could also be sold off in quarter
> acre lots. Of
> course, all kinds of covenants and legal issues
> would apply. At that
> point, the people that own the land is actually the
> co-op and not the
> When a third is promised off / sold then the actual
> work could begin.
> Laying down water and electrical lines. Drilling
> wells, laying down roads
> and clearing as it is needed. But between 3-4
> baronies, the work should
> progress quite swiftly. It just has to be
> understood that the major event
> of the baronies would be held on this land. In that
> way, you have a
> steady income to help improve and pay for the land.
> The first year would be a little rough, but it would
> only get better over
> time. The roads that lead into the land may be a
> little rough, but the
> first things that need to go into the land would
> need to be a good bath
> house central to the land. Then from there, things
> will spread out. Then
> flush toilets and a large feast hall.
> But it can be done. A third of the land is paid off
> at the beginning of
> things, and with 3-4 baronies having two major
> events per year on the land
> at $5 a head, it would have an income of about
> $15,000-$20,000 for the
> major improvements. The minor improvements would be
> left up to the
> holders of the land grants and the like.
> After about five years, you would then be in a
> position of holding a War
> in Ansteorra. Perhaps in the middle of summer
> opposite of Pensic and call
> it the Fools War. Or something like that. Wars are
> where the land will
> really pay for itself. At $20 a head for 3000 or so
> that could attend in
> the first couple of years; that would bring in
> $60,000 to go for stuff
> like a gothic chapel, bath houses, great hall,
> equestrian barns and the
> That also doesnt count using the land to breed deer
> and/or sheep for the
> feasts. This would also keep the underbrush down as
> Now I know that Im leaving a bunch of things out
> and there are many good
> ideas that can be done out there. But it is at
> least a place to start.
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