[Youth-combat] RE: [Elfsea] RE: [Steppes] Fwd: [Ansteorra]YouthfulCombatants

Steppes Seneschal steppes.seneschal at gmail.com
Wed Jan 12 16:35:45 PST 2005 

I have fought at Gulf war since the first, although due to finances I
did take off  5 - 9, but have been in the fight since then (Sword,
spear and crossbow, depending on the situation).

My first thought is from a legal liability point, not of the training
of any youth involved.  I do not believe our waver cards were not
designed with this issue in mind.  At this point, I have not heard
from the kingdom seneschal as to how such matters are to be addressed.
  I do fear the zeal of some magistrates in protecting children from
sports activities that they may not understand.

I don't wish to see any one's fun curtailed.  I also don't want to be
part of a civil suit.





On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:53:25 +0000, Trish Kvamme
<ladyoftherose at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Not to hurt anyone's feelings in any way regarding their opinion, but I am
> mildly curious as to the following.
> 
> 1.  How many people who are adverse to these teens fighting ever fought
> heavy weapons/chivarlic combat?
> 
> 2.  Of those who have, how many actually fought in a war?
> 
> 3.  And of those who disagree, how many actually have children or teenaged
> children?
> 
> 4.  How many of them have fought in an acutal battle in a shield wall or
> charge?
> 
> Just curious.
> 
> Larissa
> 
> >From: Steppes Seneschal <steppes.seneschal at gmail.com>
> >Reply-To: Steppes Seneschal <steppes.seneschal at gmail.com>,        "Barony
> >of Steppes - SCA, Inc." <steppes at ansteorra.org>
> >To: "Barony of Steppes - SCA, Inc." <steppes at ansteorra.org>
> >CC: dukepmg at aol.com, youth-combat at ansteorra.org, elfsea at ansteorra.org
> >Subject: Re: [Youth-combat] RE: [Elfsea] RE: [Steppes] Fwd:
> >[Ansteorra]YouthfulCombatants
> >Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:06:58 -0600
> >
> >I agree with you completely.
> >
> >
> >On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:48:02 -0600, Michael of Langley
> ><michaeloflangley at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > To all concerned,
> > >
> > > My concern is that during a melee, such as Gulf Wars, the younger
> >fighters
> > > will be indistinguishable from older more seasoned fighters.  At Gulf
> >Wars
> > > last year, during the spear tournament, an Ansteorran combatant had his
> > > chinstrap broken and the helmet hit him in his face when he took a heavy
> > > spear thrust.  This was not in a grand melee, but a two against two
> >spear
> > > tournament.  Our KING took the blow well...
> > >
> > > Now, lets think about a 16 year old, who is still growing, taking a face
> > > shot from a fiberglass spear.  Unfortunately, our Earl Marshall will not
> >be
> > > there to make sure that the fighters are going to take it easy on them
> >and
> > > not bruise them too much.  The younger fighters, still maturing, will be
> >at
> > > the mercy of the opposing force - I stress the "still maturing" part.
> > >
> > > We wear pads now and have parents attend the tournaments for a two fold
> > > reason, to avoid unnecessary injuries and law suits and to get the
> >parents
> > > more involved with their youth combatants.  A lawsuit can be placed
> >against
> > > anyone for any reason - waiver or not (and while it may not stand up in
> > > court, it must still be defended against).  Is it worth it? I can hear
> >it
> > > now when the first serious injury occurs - "You said he was ready and
> >that
> > > big guy just hit him way to hard!!! Who is going to pay all these doctor
> > > bills! Why didn't someone stop him! I would have stopped him if I was
> >here
> > > watching (but because I was on merchants row because I'm not REQUIRED to
> >be
> > > here - I was off shopping for my wife/husband)."
> > >
> > > Whether we want to acknowledge it or not, we have fighters with
> >prejudices -
> > > "I'm gonna smack every (girl/Saracen/crusader/guy/archer/whatever) as
> >hard
> > > as I can when I see them, because they shouldn't be on the field".
> >After
> > > the blow is thrown, "Oh, I'm so sorry - I didn't mean to hit you that
> >hard!"
> > > rarely makes up for it.  Yes, we are always chivalrous and say "Its ok -
> >no
> > > problem - groan..." but inside, we're secretly hoping they get creamed
> >on
> > > the field and we get to see it (be honest).
> > >
> > > What will we say when a 16 year old is carried off with broken ribs, or
> >a
> > > ruptured spleen from too hard of a thrust? "Oh, sorry kid, that's life -
> >can
> > > we get a 'Lay on' here?"
> > >
> > > My SINCERE hope is that one of our youth fighters NEVER has anything
> >like
> > > this happen to them.  This may ruffle a few feathers, but the youth
> >fighters
> > > are worth it.  They will be 18 soon enough, after all, its only 730
> >days...
> > >
> > > "...Faith is daring the soul to believe what the eyes cannot see..."
> > >
> > > Lord Michael of Langley
> > > Squire to Sir Corwin von Xanten and Sir Anton Qwith
> > > Southern Regional Youth Marshal
> > >
> > > >From: "Vicki Marsh" <xaraxene at comcast.net>
> > > >Reply-To: Youth Combat in Ansteorra <youth-combat at ansteorra.org>
> > > >To: "Barony of Elfsea" <elfsea at ansteorra.org>, <steppes at ansteorra.org>,
> > > >    <youth-combat at ansteorra.org>
> > > >CC: dukepmg at aol.com
> > > >Subject: [Youth-combat] RE: [Elfsea] RE: [Steppes] Fwd: [Ansteorra]
> > > >YouthfulCombatants
> > > >Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 18:00:55 -0600
> > > >
> > > >Xene here:
> > > >
> > > >I was also in martial arts at the age of 16. Of course, this was a long
> > > >time
> > > >ago, in the 1970's, but we fought without pads.  My parents didn't have
> >to
> > > >stay around to watch, even at the tournaments.  In practice, I sparred
> > > >adults, but only the ones that the instructor knew had the ability to
> >spar
> > > >with me without hurting me badly. I would get bruises, but nothing
> >major.
> > > >The only injury I got was at a tournament from another student that was
> >in
> > > >my division. I got smacked in the nose pretty good and it taught me to
> >keep
> > > >my guard up. Did my father sue anyone?  No. It was my fault for
> >dropping my
> > > >guard:)
> > > >As I improved in fighting, the intensity and speed was kicked up a
> >notch,
> > > >because the instructor knew I could handle it.
> > > >
> > > >16 and 17 year olds vary in size and maturity. Some of them are adult
> > > >sized,
> > > >some are not. Some have good judgement and some don't.  They can
> >legally
> > > >drive on the streets, once they get get their training and license, but
> > > >they
> > > >don't get to jump in all at once. It requires in-classroom training,
> > > >behind-the-wheel training, 6 months with an instructional permit (and
> > > >driving with someone 21 yrs or older in the car).  They then have
> >another 6
> > > >months with a provisional license. See
> > >
> > >www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/driver_licensing_control/graduateddrive
> > > >r.htm
> > > >Oklahoma also has the GDL (graduated Driver's license) See:
> > > >http://www.dps.state.ok.us/dls/gdl.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >I figure if the procedure of increasing responsibility and risk is good
> > > >enough for the States of Texas and Oklahoma, it's good enough for
> > > >Ansteorra.
> > > >
> > > >Under the new proposed rules, as I understand it, *I* can decide
> >whether or
> > > >not my son is ready or not. Then, the Kingdom Earl Marshal will provide
> >an
> > > >impartial decision as to whether or not my son is fit and mature enough
> >to
> > > >fight with adults.
> > > >That is reasonable.
> > > >
> > > >My only concern is that if we have a EM who doesn't travel enough, or
> > > >parents who aren't able to travel to the EM, they won't be able to have
> >the
> > > >requisite approval. Unfortunately, we have had kingdom officers who
> > > >virtually fell off the face of the earth during their tenure. If the
> >power
> > > >of final approval only rests in one person's hands, it can become a
> > > >bottleneck, or a political issue.
> > > >
> > > >Baroness Xene Theriane, OL, OP
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-
> > > >
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