[Elfsea] Armand at Bordermarch
DonnelShaw at aol.com
DonnelShaw at aol.com
Fri Nov 24 09:18:41 PST 2006
I believe that what you are both saying is correct but the change of titles
depending on the subject is a subtle ways to help the that person switch
gears to the appropriate frame of mind for the subject being discussed. I know
around the list fields I am more likely to call him Don Robin and in court I
would be more likely to call him your excellency. But then Baron Crandell and I
have been around for a long time and we do thinks in old fashion ways at
times.
HL Donnel
In a message dated 11/24/2006 8:42:43 A.M. Central Standard Time,
siortomas at gmail.com writes:
Ah Your excellency Crandell,
You are correct in spirit but you are mixing titles with forms of address.
If you walk up to Robin of Gilwell, and want to speak to him on a matter
concerning Rapier then you address him the same, " Your Excellency, may I speak
with you" or if you want to give him an idea what you actually want to talk to
him about then" Your excellency Don Robin, may I have a word with you
about..." The form of address is "Your Excellency", just as it is for you. Now
anyone who actually has multiple titles or even multiple levels of Rank
(peerages and nobility) is not very likely to correct you if you address them in
the less than most correct manner. After all to have them they have been
around for a while and understand the intent. It is just, as heralds, we should
strive to educate those who don't know in the most correct manner. Of course
when someone new asks me at an event what to call the people with coronets on
their head, I tell them that "Your Excellency" will be right most of the
time and then teach them how to identify the Prince& Princess if we have them
and the Crowns. That is, of course, for the expedience of the event for the
day, and I tell them that I can show them later, when they are more comfortable
being around how do identify all of the different types of coronets. No need
for information overload at their first event. Yes I know that Duchy's are
entitled to "Your grace" but they still have County's and they understand if
Joe Newguy is calling them "Your excellency". I remain
ever in service
Sior Tomas
ps... adamantly trying to stuff the protocol herald back in his box
pps. Your Excellency Ameline, make it an apple cider and I will be very
happy. (Woodchuck dark and dry)
On 11/23/06, _pcrandal at sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:pcrandal at sbcglobal.net)
<_pcrandal at sbcglobal.net _ (mailto:pcrandal at sbcglobal.net) > wrote:
You may also consider why you are addressing the
person. I will use Robin of Gilwell as example.
If I am speaking to him regarding a rapier
subject then I would use Don Robin.
A bardic question would be to Master Robin, and
Baron Robin would be proper for general
conversation.
Crandall, Olde Phoole
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