[Elfsea] Armand at Bordermarch

[Tomas Niallagain]

I am just pointing out the difference between forms of address and titles,
as they really are two different things.  Another example lets use an
extreme,   His Majestry Aaron, King of Ansteorra.  His title is King, while
the form of addess is "Your Majesty".  If you were to approuch him and call
him King Aaron, it would just sound really odd, since "King" is his title
not a form of address.  Calling him "Sir", since he is a knight too, is very
inappropriate as until the end of the reign he IS the King.  Lets take
another example more in line with the rapier list example you gave,  Duke
Miguel de Oporto.  The proper form of address is "Your Grace", his title of
use is his choice on the field, should you wish to address him and give him
a warning what it is about : Rapier - you could use Don, chivalric: you
could use Sir, or general courtliness: Duke, when conjoined all thre would
be as follows:
Your Grace Don Miguel
Your Grace Sir Miguel
Your Grace Duke Miguel
and always appropriate
Your Grace Miguel, since titles are not necessary when addressing someone
anyway.

Likewise forms of address are not necessary when referring to an individual
to a 3rd party, rather in that instance you should use the greatest title.
example:  Duke Miguel is an accomplished fighter on any field.

Tomas

ps Donnel, I am not as new as you may think I am,  I lived in 2 kingdoms
before calling Ansteorra my home.  I also started in AS 19, then took a long
break.  Of course I believe courtesy is ageless.

On 11/24/06, DonnelShaw at aol.com <DonnelShaw at aol.com> wrote:
>
>     I believe that what you are both saying is correct but the change of
> titles depending on the subject is a subtle ways to help the that person
> switch gears to the appropriate frame of mind for the subject being
> discussed. I know around the list fields I am more likely to call him Don
> Robin and in court I would be more likely to call him your excellency. But
> then Baron Crandell and I have been around for a long time and we do thinks
> in old fashion ways at times.
>
> HL Donnel
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 11/24/2006 8:42:43 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> siortomas at gmail.com writes:
>
> Ah Your excellency Crandell,
> You are correct in spirit but you are mixing titles with forms of
> address.  If you walk up to Robin of Gilwell, and want to speak to him on a
> matter concerning Rapier then you address him the same, " Your Excellency,
> may I speak with you" or if you want to give him an idea what you actually
> want to talk to him about then" Your excellency Don Robin, may I have a word
> with you about..."  The form of address is "Your Excellency", just as it is
> for you.  Now anyone who actually has multiple titles or even multiple
> levels of Rank (peerages and nobility) is not very likely to correct you if
> you address them in the less than most correct manner.  After all to have
> them they have been around for a while and understand the intent.  It is
> just, as heralds, we should strive to educate those who don't know in the
> most correct manner. Of course when someone new asks me at an event what to
> call the people with coronets on their head, I tell them that "Your
> Excellency" will be right most of the time and then teach them how to
> identify the Prince& Princess if we have them and the Crowns.  That is, of
> course, for the expedience of the event for the day, and I tell them that I
> can show them later, when they are more comfortable being around how do
> identify all of the different types of coronets. No need for information
> overload at their first event.  Yes I know that Duchy's are entitled to
> "Your grace" but they still have County's and they understand if Joe Newguy
> is calling them "Your excellency".  I remain
>
> ever in service
>
> Sior Tomas
>
> ps... adamantly trying to stuff the protocol herald back in his box
>
> pps.  Your Excellency Ameline, make it an apple cider and I will be very
> happy. (Woodchuck dark and dry)
>
>
> On 11/23/06, pcrandal at sbcglobal.net <pcrandal at sbcglobal.net > wrote:
> >
> > You may also consider why you are addressing the
> > person. I will use Robin of Gilwell as example.
> >
> > If I am speaking to him regarding a rapier
> > subject then I would use Don Robin.
> > A bardic question would be to Master Robin, and
> > Baron Robin would be proper for general
> > conversation.
> >
> > Crandall, Olde Phoole
> >
>
>
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