[Elfsea] Armand at Bordermarch

[DonnelShaw at aol.com]

I believe that what you are both saying is correct but the change of  titles 
depending on the subject is a subtle ways to help the that person  switch 
gears to the appropriate frame of mind for the subject being  discussed. I know 
around the list fields I am more likely to call him Don  Robin and in court I 
would be more likely to call him your excellency. But  then Baron Crandell and I 
have been around for a long time and we do  thinks in old fashion ways at 
times. 
 
HL Donnel
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 11/24/2006 8:42:43 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
siortomas at gmail.com writes:

Ah  Your excellency Crandell, 
You are correct in spirit but you are  mixing titles with forms of address.  
If you walk up to Robin of  Gilwell, and want to speak to him on a matter 
concerning Rapier then you  address him the same, " Your Excellency, may I speak 
with you" or if you  want to give him an idea what you actually want to talk to 
him about  then" Your excellency Don Robin, may I have a word with you  
about..."  The form of address is "Your Excellency", just as it is  for you.  Now 
anyone who actually has multiple titles or even  multiple levels of Rank 
(peerages and nobility) is not very likely to  correct you if you address them in 
the less than most correct  manner.  After all to have them they have been 
around for a while  and understand the intent.  It is just, as heralds, we should  
strive to educate those who don't know in the most correct manner. Of  course 
when someone new asks me at an event what to call the people with  coronets on 
their head, I tell them that "Your Excellency" will be right  most of the 
time and then teach them how to identify the Prince&  Princess if we have them 
and the Crowns.  That is, of course, for  the expedience of the event for the 
day, and I tell them that I can show  them later, when they are more comfortable 
being around how do identify  all of the different types of coronets. No need 
for information overload  at their first event.  Yes I know that Duchy's are 
entitled to  "Your grace" but they still have County's and they understand if 
Joe  Newguy is calling them "Your excellency".  I remain 

ever in  service

Sior Tomas

ps... adamantly trying to stuff the  protocol herald back in his box

pps.  Your Excellency  Ameline, make it an apple cider and I will be very 
happy. (Woodchuck  dark and dry) 


On 11/23/06, _pcrandal at sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:pcrandal at sbcglobal.net)   
<_pcrandal at sbcglobal.net _ (mailto:pcrandal at sbcglobal.net) >  wrote:  
You  may also consider why you are addressing the
person. I will use  Robin of Gilwell as example. 

If I am speaking to him regarding  a rapier
subject then I would use Don Robin.
A bardic question  would be to Master Robin, and
Baron Robin would be proper for  general
conversation.

Crandall, Olde Phoole  








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