Carolyn.Young at goodmanmfg.com
Tue Jan 13 09:01:20 PST 2004
To Master Michael,
Thanks for the promotion, but I'm just Lady Caitlin (unless I'm being
presumptuous and you were really speaking of HL Caitlin bean Ghearalt).
To Milady Qulajin,
I can only second Michael's words. I certainly hope it is not a *common
opinion*. I know I have never experienced anything but friendship and a
pouring out of love and assistance offered from any of the folk of Stargate,
Westgate, the Loch and our own shire towards each other. I, too, have
*heard* that this person or that group is un-friendly, un-cooperative,
un-whatever-you-like. However, I have rarely found that to be the case, so
whenever I hear things like that now I just nod graciously and go and find
out the truth for myself (and, yes, Michael, try to rectify the perceptions
I can hear you saying, "Well, that's OK for you. You're a part of the group
and not painfully shy." and yes, I am a long time part of this crazy
shire, but I am also shy as well (I am absolutely amazed when anyone
remembers who I am). I've just learned to hide it over the years. Also,
shyness tends to show itself when the person is unsure of a situation. Come
on out to our meetings and activities, get to know a small group of people
and see if some of your shyness doesn't evaporate.
As Michael said, have someone point me out if you don't already know me (I'm
the woman with long silver hair) and maybe we can ease your way into a
really fun hobby/obsession and a really great bunch of people. If you'd
like, contact me off list at caitlin at houston.rr.com .
Lady Caitlin nan Cnoc Airghead
(former Hospitaler and Seneschal, current Chronicler)
Carolyn B. Young
IT - Branch
713/861.2500 ext 425
From: gatesedge-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:gatesedge-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of Michael Tucker
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 10:12 AM
To: Shire of Gate's Edge - SCA, Inc.
Subject: Re: [Gatesedge] Introduction
On Tuesday, January 13, 2004, at 08:42 AM, Jennifer Guest wrote:
> ... For the past several years I've
> been trying to get involved in the SCA, but have been
> intimidated (I'm not a huge history buff either), too
> far away, scared away (it's a common opinion up here
> that Stargate and Westgate people can be not-so-nice),
> or have given in to my obsessive shyness. ...
> Blessed Be,
On Tuesday, January 13, 2004, at 08:44 AM, Jennifer Guest wrote:
> Ech, that was supposed to be off-list. :-/
I realize that your post was an accident. But I'm glad, in a way, that
you posted it. Those are the sort of opinions I would much rather see
in the light of day, than hidden away in the dark somewhere.
I know that, in every group, there are always a couple of malcontents
who will *never* be happy, and will *always* find something nasty to
say about other groups. It's how they make themselves feel bigger and
better and more important than they are. Sadly, these folks have a
knack for seeking out the newcomers to the group and "poisoning the
well" before they've ever had a chance to drink from it.
There are also, sadly, always a few folks in every group who are "bad
examples" of behavior in their group. I.e., they are irritating to be
around (for whatever reason), and make their whole group look bad.
(I'm sure you've seen this exact sort of thing in Amtguard, school,
your job, wherever... it's just human nature.)
But... allowing for a couple of malcontents in one group, or a couple
of "bad examples" in another group... do you think this is this really
a commonly held opinion in Gate's Edge, about the folks in Stargate and
Or is the opinion held by just one or two people (or *about* just one
or two people), as far as you know?
If the former, then I, personally, would like to do whatever I can to
convince you otherwise. Not by browbeating you into "changing your
story", but by demonstrating that we really do get along well together,
and - for the most part - we really are a bunch of nice folks (in
Stargate, Westgate, Gate's Edge, Loch Soilleir... pretty much this
whole area of groups who tend to work and play together).
When I was Baron of Stargate with Baroness Neassa we heard the same
concern that you have voiced, and tried hard to fix any problems we
could find between our groups. So have others, on both sides of the
fence, including your own Baron Talmon, Baroness Signy, HL Annes and HL
Caitlin, among others. We *did* find some problems, and hopefully we
fixed them. But, mostly what we found out was what I described above: a
couple of dissatisfied people (who would *never* be satisfied) and a
couple of "bad examples" they could point to and make an issue over.
I would point instead to our past cooperations - all the events that we
have put on, together. When I was event steward of Stargate's 25th
Baronial, it was mostly folks from Gate's Edge who came out on Friday
and early on Saturday to clear the site and set up for the event. It
was largely those same people who were there at the bitter end on
Sunday, helping with takedown and cleanup. If you look at a Gate's Edge
event, you will find many folks from Stargate and Westgate there,
helping out in equal share. The same is true of Loch Soilleir events
and Westgate events. We really are friends who help each other, and
have fun doing so.
I would also point to our future cooperations. Rather than let
someone's poisonous (or honeyed) words sway you, please come to a few
events and form your own opinion, based on your own observations. If
you have already done so, and your opinion *is* based on personal
observations, I welcome you to share them with me - publicly or
privately. Maybe you see something that the rest of us have overlooked;
and maybe something can be done to fix whatever it is that you see as
I attend almost every Gate's Edge, Stargate and Westgate event. If you
are at one, please ask someone to point me out (if you don't already
know me). I'd be happy to listen to your story.
Yours in service,
(old retired Baron, Pelican, etc.)
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