[Hellsgate] Winter Crown Bid?

Sun Aug 7 12:38:24 PDT 2011

As a new member to the Stronghold I'm not sure if I should or have the right 
to voice an opinion. However, as a long time member of the SCA and having 
been a Seneschal for many years, I agree that it is too much too soon.  We 
have only begun to make a scratch on the possible inroads to new members. 
We need to focus our priorities there, and on the upcoming event and 
Queen's.  Enthusiasm and get up and go vigor is fantastic, and I feel that 
same energy that I felt years ago when I first joined the SCA.  However, the 
greatest of enthusiasm cannot override burn-out.  Trust me it can sneak up 
on you when you least expect it.
As Mel and others have said lets focus on the growth of the Stronghold and 
look to the future.  The Army has a way of development they call "The Crawl, 
Walk, Run Method."  From what I see we are in between Crawl  and Walk.  If 
we try to run to fast too far likes babes we may fall on our face.
Anyway, that is my two cents, if I have overstepped myself, or upset or 
offended any of the fine people of Hellsgate, I deeply apologize.

Yours in Service to Hellsgate and the Dream
Lord Eric Bentbow (mka Joe Simmons)
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From: <dramascout at yahoo.com>
To: "Stronghold of Hellsgate" <hellsgate at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Hellsgate] Winter Crown Bid?

>I think we need to focus on gaining new members AND keeping the little 
>embers we start with things like the hood howdy and the 4th of july going 
>and stoke them into infernos. If we get more people into the group we can 
>grow from a stronghold into a shire or more. We have the interest come and 
>stop buy however to me it just seams thay thare interest vanishes after a 
>few weeks. I think we need to identify WHY this is then how to maintain 
>interest in the new people. The idea of bids is awesome it shows we are 
>trying and steping out into the world. However the powers at be also can 
>tell if we are overstreching our means. I do not know many shires that host 
>3 events in a year. Let alone a stronghold that can not fill the officer 
>seats (although we have the madatory ones coverd) to me it is simple we 
>need more people. More manning.
>
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> From: "Robert West" <rwest15 at hot.rr.com>
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> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 13:20:05
> To: 'Stronghold of Hellsgate'<hellsgate at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Reply-To: Stronghold of Hellsgate <hellsgate at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Hellsgate] Winter Crown Bid?
>
> This is not a good idea.  As Mel has stated we are working on overloading 
> ourselves as a stronghold.  We must remember that we are a "Stronghold" 
> and not a Barony.  We simply do not have the resources and people to take 
> on so many events and not pay a physical or mental price for it.  I will 
> say that Dawn and I will need at least a week to recover from Hotter than 
> Hellsgate.  Additionally, as winter approaches we must remember that 
> families will be taking trips for the holidays and out of the loop.  And 
> though there is a chance the following will rub someone wrong, we must 
> also consider whether we are doing an event for the right reasons, i.e. to 
> enchance the SCA, to have fun, because we enjoy doing events, all the 
> positive things.  We shouldn't try to make a name for the Stronghold by 
> carrying the weight of too many events on our shoulders.
>
> Mistress Mel,  you have our full agreement on what you have shared.
>
> Baby Stronghold, Baby steps, lets take it slow and work within our means 
> and capabilities
>
> Humbly written
>
> Robert Westrynneman
> Robert West
>
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> [mailto:hellsgate-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Ruiz
> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 11:16 PM
> To: Stronghold of Hellsgate
> Subject: Re: [Hellsgate] Winter Crown Bid?
>
> I am not for this! My reasons are: We have Hotter than Hellsgate, Queens, 
> and June event with Bryn Gwlad having several in between all these and we 
> have already been asked what we can do to help them with coronation and 
> possible Kings Round table. I know other members are involved with other 
> events through out the year , example would be Kingdom Arts and Science. 
> We have a core group of about 10 workers with fringe player. We need to 
> spend some time on building our core and becoming a cohesive group not 
> worrying about burn out. If our core group was bigger and more stable 
> maybe. Instead of focusing on another event lets focus on going to an 
> event and camping as Hellsgate, as our Stronghold which is still new and 
> needs nurturing. As a group lets have fun at other events instead of 
> working back to back events.
>
> Mel
>
>
>
> --- On Sat, 8/6/11, SoldierGrrrl <soldier.grrrl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: SoldierGrrrl <soldier.grrrl at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Hellsgate] Winter Crown Bid?
> To: "Stronghold of Hellsgate" <hellsgate at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Date: Saturday, August 6, 2011, 11:08 AM
>
>
> Greetings to the list!
>
> I’m wondering if there is any interest in bidding for Winter Crown 
> Tourney,
> or if that will be coming too close on the heels of Queen’s Champion,
> providing we win that bid?
>
> I would be willing to autocrat or co-autocrat, and I can check with Eule 
> to
> see if Castleton is available if there’s any interest.
>
> Thank you!
> Helene Dalassene
>
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