[Hellsgate] "My lord", "my lady"

[Joe Simmons]

Sorry, I forgot to sign my post

Yours in Service
Lord Eric Bentbow
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Simmons" <ESIMMONS001 at hot.rr.com>
To: "Stronghold of Hellsgate" <hellsgate at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Hellsgate] "My lord", "my lady"


> Not to dispute your kind words m'lord. However being a long time member 
> and understanding that within the SCA I was taught that all are worthy of 
> the m'lord / m'lady not as a title but rather as a courtesy. Also I was 
> taught that all members of the Society are considered to be of noble birth 
> and therefore worthy of the courtesy accorded one of noble birth. Lord or 
> Lady Capital L is a title and should be used as one.  For myself, I feel 
> that to recreate the period manners of address and titles are important 
> and should be used on every occasion. To use them does not detract from 
> the SCA and not using them does, for me. That is the way it was when I 
> joined and I will continue to use and teach it as such. It is part of the 
> beauty and atmosphere of the Society for me.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tim McDaniel" <tmcd at panix.com>
> To: <hellsgate at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:57 PM
> Subject: [Hellsgate] "My lord", "my lady"
>
>
>> If I may intrude with a bit on titles?
>>
>> As a Star Principal Herald noted years ago, "How do you refer to
>> people without awards of arms?  By their names."  "Milord" and
>> "milady" [1] were not titles in period.  So it's not really correct to
>> word it like "Dear, would you go get my mug back from m'lord
>> Billy-Bob?"  He's just "Billy-Bob".
>>
>> "Milady" and "milord" [1] CAN properly be used in direct address if
>> you don't know their rank, or if you know there's no armigerous award.
>> So if you're talking TO Billy-Bob yourself, it's fine to ask "M'lord,
>> may I have my mug back?"
>>
>> One of the ways in which the SCA is an improvement on period is that
>> we do NOT generally have the insanely proud insistence on recognition
>> of rank, title, and precedence that they had in period.  More: in my
>> experience, the higher-ranking the SCA person, the less they care.
>> So don't worry about messing up titles for people with rank.
>> For example, if you mladied our lovely Baroness Myfanwy, or mlorded
>> Master Tivar or Duke Kein, I would be surprised were they to even
>> mention it and utterly astonished were they to take offense.
>>
>> In short: don't sweat titles, but I'd like to ask that people not use
>> "milady" and "milord" as if they were titles.
>>
>> Daniel de Lincoln (Just plain Daniel is fine by me.  Lord Daniel is
>> OK: I have an AoA.)
>>
>> [1] In all of its variants: "milord", "milady", "m'lady", "m'lord",
>> "my lady", "my lord", et cetera.
>>
>> -- 
>> Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
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