ANSTHRLD - Addition of locative

[Doug Bell]

"Order of the x" vs "Order of the x of Someplace"

As of 1997 it looks like adding "of Someplace" won't clear
a conflict.

Magnus von Lubeck


[Defenders of Andelcrag] RfS V.2 deals with conflict of non-personal 
names. Clause V.2.a clearly says that branch names are not descriptive 
elements. The remaining clauses clearly imply that names must differ 
in their descriptive elements in order not to conflict. This 
therefore conflicts with Defenders of Mons Tonitrus: in terms of 
descriptive elements, they are identical. (Jaelle of Armida, LoAR 
February 1997, p. 23)

This is being returned for conflict with the title of the Sable 
Quill Pursuivant. As Fause Lozenge said "RfS V.2.a (Difference of 
Descriptive Elements) defines a descriptive element of a nonpersonal 
name as `a word other than a designator, an article, a preposition, 
or the name of a branch of the Society' [emphasis added]. Both the 
order name and the registered title have two descriptive elements, 
sable and quill. RfS V.2.b (Conflict of Names with the Same Number of 
Elements) says that these two names conflict unless (i) each of them 
contains a descriptive element significantly different from every 
descriptive element in the other, which is obviously not the case 
here, or (ii) the order or grammatical structure of the name has 
changed in a way that significantly changes the meaning of the name 
as a whole. The relevant parts of the two names are identical, so (ii) 
doesn't apply either, and they are therefore in conflict. I might add 
that even if of Meridies were counted as a descriptive element, the 
names would still conflict by RfS V.2.c (Conflict of Names with 
Different Numbers of Elements), since the modifier of Meridies has 
been added to a root element, Quill, that has already been modified 
by Sable." (Jaelle of Armida, LoAR July 1996, pp. 21-22)

This is in conflict with the Order of the Heart of Artemisia since 
the only difference is the addition of a group name, which the rules 
specifically excludes as a differencing descriptive element. 
(Jaelle of Armida, LoAR February 1997, p. 20)
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