ANSTHRLD - Addition of locative
Doug Bell
debell at txcyber.com
Mon Dec 27 23:29:46 PST 1993
"Order of the x" vs "Order of the x of Someplace"
As of 1997 it looks like adding "of Someplace" won't clear
a conflict.
Magnus von Lubeck
[Defenders of Andelcrag] RfS V.2 deals with conflict of non-personal
names. Clause V.2.a clearly says that branch names are not descriptive
elements. The remaining clauses clearly imply that names must differ
in their descriptive elements in order not to conflict. This
therefore conflicts with Defenders of Mons Tonitrus: in terms of
descriptive elements, they are identical. (Jaelle of Armida, LoAR
February 1997, p. 23)
This is being returned for conflict with the title of the Sable
Quill Pursuivant. As Fause Lozenge said "RfS V.2.a (Difference of
Descriptive Elements) defines a descriptive element of a nonpersonal
name as `a word other than a designator, an article, a preposition,
or the name of a branch of the Society' [emphasis added]. Both the
order name and the registered title have two descriptive elements,
sable and quill. RfS V.2.b (Conflict of Names with the Same Number of
Elements) says that these two names conflict unless (i) each of them
contains a descriptive element significantly different from every
descriptive element in the other, which is obviously not the case
here, or (ii) the order or grammatical structure of the name has
changed in a way that significantly changes the meaning of the name
as a whole. The relevant parts of the two names are identical, so (ii)
doesn't apply either, and they are therefore in conflict. I might add
that even if of Meridies were counted as a descriptive element, the
names would still conflict by RfS V.2.c (Conflict of Names with
Different Numbers of Elements), since the modifier of Meridies has
been added to a root element, Quill, that has already been modified
by Sable." (Jaelle of Armida, LoAR July 1996, pp. 21-22)
This is in conflict with the Order of the Heart of Artemisia since
the only difference is the addition of a group name, which the rules
specifically excludes as a differencing descriptive element.
(Jaelle of Armida, LoAR February 1997, p. 20)
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