ANSTHRLD - Associated checks for device: Sable, a sextant Or.
tmcd at jump.net
tmcd at jump.net
Mon Sep 13 10:21:53 PDT 1999
On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Teceangl <tierna at agora.rdrop.com> wrote:
> Kathri wrote:
> > I have a potential submitter who believes that 'Sable, a sextant
> > Or" is clear of conflict
>
> Is it? What entry? I find the quadrant, but there are no sextants
> in SCA armory that I can find, and the date of invention according
> to encyclopedia.com is 1731, while the quadrant is said to have been
> "used to find latitude in medieval times".
Ooo, good point! Yes, you're right. The sextant has been returned
in-kingdom in the past. Wait, I have Collated Commentary on-line -- I
can search. I remember it being spelled "sextent", and various jokes
being made. (flip flip flip)
Christoforo Antonio Passavanti (Twr Cath), New Name, New Device, item
2 on the 1/96 ILoI. Son of a gun, it's "Sable a sextent Or". Same
guy, Kathri?
This is the collated commentary from the time. Da'ud:
[Device] According to the OED, the first reference to a sextant
(with an "a". A "sex-tent" would have other, non-navigational,
uses entirely. :-) ) is in a book published in 1603 in which the
author claims to have invented it. This makes it a post-period
artifact and thus inappropriate for use in SCA armory. Would the
client consider the more widely used and period navigational
instrument, the astrolabe?
Talan wrote:
[Device] 'sextent' is presumably a temporary brothel; the
submitter appears to want a sextant. We've never registered the
charge before, though Trimaris registered the title Sextant Herald
12/85, so I expect that Laurel will require evidence that the
device is period. According to the OED, Tycho Brahe wrote in 1602
that he gave the name to the instrument. (The name was already in
use with another meaning.) From this I infer that the device was
probably period, though very late; it may have changed form
somewhat in the last 400 years, however so, some documentation to
show that this is a period design is probably needed.
Bryn Gwlad:
[Device] We could not find any examples of a sextant in the
Ordinary. Is this the defining instance of the charge, and if so,
do we need to see documentation of this drawing as a period
representation? No conflicts found.
Stargate:
[Device] We would need evidence that a sextant is a period charge.
Twr Cath:
[Device] (Clear.) Yes, the sextent can be fed. The submitter can
provide a better (i.e. well fed) drawing if necessary. Usage of
the sextent dates to as early as the 1530's (Copernicus).
Steppes:
[Device] We wonder how many commenters will NOT make jokes on the
blazon. ...
The OED says that Tycho Brahe claimed he named it in 1602, though
the Encyclopedia Britannica (1952 ed.) says that John Hadley
invented it in 1731. Serena notes that, for example, the word
"scrimshaw" is 18th C, but we saw the form at the Assyrian
exhibit, so the object may predate the current word.
This charge has not been registered previously in the SCA. This
would be the defining instance. We should be provided with
documentation that this is a period depiction.
Delphina/Ragnar:
[Device] This is an excellent drawing of a modern sextant.
However the sextant was invented in 1731 by John Hadly. The
navigation instrument used through our period would have been the
Astrolabe. Unless documentation can be provided that this
instrument was used in period it should to be returned.
Oh, and Blacklake:
Well designed, period sextent and good placement of blazons.
It was returned at the 10 March 1996 meeting, printed on page 8 of the
April 1996 AG, saying
"Sable, a sextant Or" is rturned under General Principal 1a of the
RfS (Compatible Content).
("All submissions shall be period in content.")
Daniel "what, he figured we're gonna forget or something? wait,
*I* did" de Lincolia
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