ANSTHRLD - Forcene?

[Kathri at aol.com]

In a message dated 10/15/2000 11:19:43 AM Central Daylight Time, 
darin-herndon at utulsa.edu writes:

> Like rampant, the 
>  front legs would be in offset (not next to each other) positions and 
>  "pawing" the air.  Like salient, the back legs would be both on the 
>  ground and next to each other.

As far as I know this is correct.  I'm not sure about the front legs.  I 
haven't been able to find a picture in my books, and the verbal descriptions 
focus on the hind legs.  There does seem to be confusion between rampant, 
salient, and forcene.  Perhaps that's why we stopped using forcene.

Friar, Stephen.  _A Dictionary of Heraldry_ p 32 under "Attitude" lists:
forcene -  rearing horse with both hind hooves on the ground (also enraged)

Brooke-Little, J.P. _An Heraldic Alphabet_ p 101 shows:
Forcene (also Forcen[e']) - Properly used to describe a horse rearing up or 
salient but it has been incorrectly used on many occasions, even in officail 
blazon, to describe a horse rampant.

Fox-Davies, A.C. _A Complete Guide to Heraldry_ in the chapter on "BEASTS" p 
201 says:
The horse will be found rampant (or forcene, or salient) (Fig. 360), and will 
be found courant (Fig. 361), passant (Fig. 362), and trotting.
On the same page, Figure 360 is of a horse rampant.

So go figure.

Kathri
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