[ANSTHRLD] commentary on July Iloi Commentary

[Timothy A. McDaniel]

medb / R Husted <rhusted at mastnet.net> wrote:
> doug bell wrote:
> > 21) Muirenn Faulkner (Westgate)
> > [Device] "Argent, a falcon sable and on a chief sable three
> > fountains."  versus Jennifer Keruer January 1992: "Argent, a
> > Cornish chough and on a chief embattled sable three plates." One CD
> > for embattling the chief and one for Cornish chough vs falcon, see
> > January 2000 Cover letter.

That precedent dealt specifically only with raptors, specifically owls
and eagles.  On the other hand, granting a CD between an owl close
guardant and a falcon close and not between a Cornish chough close and
a falcon close seems odd.

> what about a possible conflict with Ian of Gloucester- July of 1981
> (via Atlantia): =93Argent, a grey wolf dormant proper and on a chief
> sable th= ree fountains.=94

RfS X.2: "Simple armory does not conflict with other simple armory if
the type of every primary charge is substantially changed."
"Substantial" doesn't refer to, say, pine versus oak or dolphin versus
catfish, but more different types.  I'm not speaking for the Laurel
level, but I would certainly expect X.2 between a quadruped and a
bird.

> I think gray proper and sable are remarkably the same.

In the SCA, gray stone is usually treated as argent.  Here, it's not a
rocky wolf, and it's an argent background.  On the other hand,
"proper" was, at one time (but no longer!), allowed to break contrast
rules.

Daniel de Lincolia, not speaking for Laurel or any deputies
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