Fw: [ANSTHRLD] Blazon

[Mór inghean Chathail]

I passed this on to another list, and received this in answer.. possibly
more discussion on the idea?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Knight" <rknight at kumc.edu>
To: <ModarStudents at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 7:14 AM


> Greetings from Modar!
>
> Usually if there is a problem with someone displaying
> arms they shouldn't...it's because they don't know better
> and simply informing them of the problem takes care
> of things.
>
> However, if after they have been informed of the
> situation they continue to "be a problem", one may
> contact their Principal Herald to speak with them.
> Almost always that will bring about an end to the
> situation. (i.e. The offending person realizes that
> the problem isn't just with a local person, but is
> going against the rules of the SCA "game".)
>
> I don't recall any case that has ever gone beyond this point.
>
> If this does not correct the problem, the Principal Herald
> can contact either the Laurel-of-Arms or the Crown
> and bring them into the problem.  If the person causing
> the situation doesn't decide to cooperate by this
> point I'd be shocked.  And I imagine that anyone
> who knew the offender would be counseling them to
> correct the problem at this point too.
>
>  But if they still don't correct the problem I imagine that
> the Laurel-of-Arms could request a level of banishment
> be instituted by the Crown for the offender.  However,
> I would be in absolute shock if any situation ever evolved
> to that level.
>
> The Earl Marshall would not be the authority to deal
> with this matter.  It should go through the Kingdom Herald.
>
> Now, in the real world...things can go to a more criminal
> avenue in some parts, such as Scotland where the Lyon-King-
> of-Arms has the right to prosecute for misuse of arms...thus
> if the offender is flying mundane arms, they will be warned once,
> then they will confiscate all items with the device on it and give a
> fine,
> and if it continues, prosecution (with possible jail time) could
> occur.
>
> So...does a Kingdom College of Arms have the right to enforce?
> Yes.
>
> Does it ever come to that point?
> No.  Usually discussion takes care of the problem.
>
> My perspective on the issue.
>
> Modar
>
>
>
> >>> morcathail at hotmail.com 03/31/03 03:46PM >>>
> Really, REALLY good question on Ansteorra's Herald's List...
>
> What can/should/has been done? (kingdom anthropology?)
> Mór
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 2:31 PM
> Subject: RE: [ANSTHRLD] Blazon
>
>
> > Exactly what authority does the Ansteorran College of Heralds have
> regarding
> > the use of arms by someone?  What can they do if one person displays
> arms
> > that have been registered?  What can they do if someone displays the
> arms
> of
> > an historical figure on a normal basis?  Does the Earl Marshal get
> involved
> > at all?  Or is that only in England?Just curious.
> >
> > Rodrigo