[ANSTHRLD] Conflict Check

Joseph Percer jpercer at stx.rr.com
Wed Jul 9 14:20:20 PDT 2003


That helps... Actually helps... I'm using the OandA 8.0 program that
searches the database.... There was some chatter on the list about it a
month ago or so... I'm honestly still digesting the RfS, every time I see an
example applied to one of them, they become much clearer to me


Jayme
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Subject: RE: [ANSTHRLD] Conflict Check


"Joseph Percer" <jpercer at stx.rr.com> wrote:
> Basically, to search the Ordinary I used the Program available,

What program is that?  A Web page, a program you downloaded, or what?

> and searched
> Bends, Charged, Or, being the Primary charge
> and three Roses sable...

A conflict may not have all those elements.  For
     Gules, on a bend Or three roses sable.
any of the following patterns conflict:
     Gules, a bend Or.
     Gules, on a bend Or [anything].
     Gules, on a bend [any tincture] [a variety of tertiary groups].
     [Any tincture], on a bend Or [a variety of tertiary groups].

"A variety of tertiary groups": if there's a substantial change of
type, you get a CD in this case (this is "simple" per RfS X.4.j.ii).
E.g., roses versus trees or lions or roundels.  But changing the
tinctures of all the roses, say, is not enough of a change, or
changing just the number, or just the orientation (really hard with
roses), or ...  It's harder, per RfS X.4.j, to get a CD for tertiary
changes.  -- Have you read the Rules for Submission?

What I used was one mirror of the SCA Ordinary,
<http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/index.html>.  I clicked on B and then
"Bend - 1 - Charged - Plain line - Or", because it was likeliest to
have conflicts.  I went to the designs that started with "Gules",
ditto, and found the two conflicts.

Suppose there had been no conflicts.  (Since those coats were close,
it would have required some close examination to determine that.)  I
then know that everything else on that page had one CD for the field
(because I'd checked all the gules-field items, everything else had a
different field, and there's a CD for chaning at least half the
field).  So I scan them faster, because all I need is one CD.  When a
candidate has any other charges on the field other than the bend ("on
a bend between" is a dead giveaway and easy to scan for), I can skip
it: second CD for addition/deletion of charges on the field.
Otherwise, I look at the teriaries and bless you that it's an
X.4.j.ii-simple case (causing more chances of difference).

Presumably that's clear, then since I've cleared "BEND:or:plain
line:charged:1", I know that any other category has at least one
difference:

    Bend - 1 - Uncharged - Plain line - Or: has a CD for your adding roses
        I have to check this, but only the items that start "Gules,"
        because anything else would have a second CD (== clear) for
        the field.
        As above, I do tricks to speed up the scan, like looking for
        "a bend between" or "a bordure' or other evidence of a charge
        on the field.

    Bend - 1 - Uncharged - Plain line - [not Or]
        clear, for your adding roses and changing the tincture of the bend.

    Bend - 1 - Charged - Plain line - [not Or]
        1 CD for changing the bend from Or to something else.
        I have to check this, but only the items that start "Gules,"
        because anything else would have a second CD (== clear) for
        the field.

    Bend - 1 - Charged - Complex line:
        1 CD for changing from a plain bend to a complex line
        ("bend" -> "bend embattled", say)
        I have to check this, but only the items that start "Gules,"
        because anything else would have a second CD (== clear) for
        the field.

    Bend - 2 or more:
        1 CD for changing the number of bends.
        I have to check this, but only the items that start "Gules,"
        because anything else would have a second CD (== clear) for
        the field.

Probably as clear as DVD instructions translated from Japanese using a
dictionary.  Sorry.

Daniel de Lincolia
--
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com; tmcd at us.ibm.com is my work address
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