[ANSTHRLD] RE:Asa Hrafnsdottir

padraig_ruad@irishbard.com padraig_ruad at irishbard.com
Tue Jun 10 12:21:43 PDT 2003

Many thanks for all of the good information.  I'm sure that there is something here that Asa will find acceptable, so we can get her name resubmitted.


Gunnvor said:

> Padraig said:
> >Given that, does someone with more knowledge
> >of Norse names than I have know if the name
> <{AE}sa> would be sufficiently different from
> >Asa to avoid conflict?
> >I'm trying to help my client find an alternative
> >that isn't totally different from what she
> >originally wanted.
> Checking in:
> Lena Peterson. Nordiskt runnamnslexikon. Spra*k- och folkminnes-institutet.
> http://www.dal.lu.se/runlex/index.htm Accessed 30 May 2003.
> Under <A'sa> it says "Short form of feminine names in <A's-> (see
> <A's-/{AE}s->)".
> Under <A's-/{AE}s-> it says: "The sound form <{AE}s-> is developed from a
> palatal vowel or consonant in the second element; it has later by the system
> of variation spread from the second element instead of usual sound
> mutation."
> In other words, depending on what <A's-> name you're talking about, the
> short form will vary in pronounciation based on the spelling of the second
> element.  But it's the same name, I think, overall.  Rules for Submissions
> at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/rfs.html#2 says:
> 1. Personal Names
> a. Difference of Name Phrases - Two name phrases are considered
> significantly different if they differ significantly in sound and
> appearance. Name phrases that are not significantly different are said to be
> equivalent. Variant spellings of the same word or name, no matter how
> radical, are not considered significantly different unless there is also a
> significant difference in pronunciation."
> There is a difference, but not a big difference, and I'd tend to think that
> for most purposes both variants are essentially the same name.
> HOWEVER, you can make the name conflict without changing the parts she's
> attached to. The Rules for Submissions also says:
> 1. Personal Names
> b. Conflict of Personal Names
> ii. Number of Name Phrases - A personal name containing at most two name
> phrases does not conflict with any personal name containing a different
> number name phrases."
> So you could add a locative name at the end and clear the conflict.  How
> about something like:
> <A'sa Hrafnsdo'ttir i' Hrafnsfjo:r{dh}>
> (Asa, daughter of Hrafn, from Hrafnsfjord)
> That particular place-name is from Landnamabok ch. 35 (see
> http://www.snerpa.is/net/snorri/landnama.htm)
> It was very common for people's farms or dwellings to be named for the
> person, so it would be unsurprising for her father to live at a place
> combining the personal name <Hrafn> plus any of several place-suffixes:
> Stead: <Hrafnssta{dh}ir>
> Farm: <Hrafnsby'r>
> Home-place: <Hrafnsto'ft> (this name is specifically listed in Landnamabok
> ch. 90)
> Village: <Hrafns{th}orp>
> Haven: <Hrafnsho:fn>
> Garth: <Hrafnsgar{dh}r> (for example in the name of Master Gerekr
> fja'rsja'ndi Ro:gnvaldsson i' Hrafnsgar{dh}i)
> Headland: <Hrafnsnes> (see Magnúss saga Erlingssonar ch. 12,
> http://www.snerpa.is/net/snorri/m-erl.htm)
> Field: <Hrafnsvo:llr>
> Dale: <Hrafnsdalr>
> (All of the above suffixes can be found as placenames formed with various
> personal names in Landnamabok. Also see
> http://www.northvegr.org/lore/landnamabok/033.html for a badly-normalized
> complete list of place-names from Landnamabok.  If you start with this then
> go back to the Old Norse text for the actual Old Norse form of the
> place-name, it can be quite useful.)
> See Lindorm Eriksson's "The Bynames of the Viking Age Runic Inscriptions" in
> the section on locatives for construction plus several examples
> http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/lindorm/runicbynames/places.htm#start

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