[ANSTHRLD] RE:Asa Hrafnsdottir

[padraig_ruad@irishbard.com]

Many thanks for all of the good information.  I'm sure that there is something here that Asa will find acceptable, so we can get her name resubmitted.

Padraig

Gunnvor said:

> Padraig said:
> >Given that, does someone with more knowledge
> >of Norse names than I have know if the name
> <{AE}sa> would be sufficiently different from
> >Asa to avoid conflict?
> >I'm trying to help my client find an alternative
> >that isn't totally different from what she
> >originally wanted.
>
> Checking in:
>
> Lena Peterson. Nordiskt runnamnslexikon. Spra*k- och folkminnes-institutet.
> http://www.dal.lu.se/runlex/index.htm Accessed 30 May 2003.
>
> Under <A'sa> it says "Short form of feminine names in <A's-> (see
> <A's-/{AE}s->)".
>
> Under <A's-/{AE}s-> it says: "The sound form <{AE}s-> is developed from a
> palatal vowel or consonant in the second element; it has later by the system
> of variation spread from the second element instead of usual sound
> mutation."
>
> In other words, depending on what <A's-> name you're talking about, the
> short form will vary in pronounciation based on the spelling of the second
> element.  But it's the same name, I think, overall.  Rules for Submissions
> at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/rfs.html#2 says:
>
> "PART V - NAME CONFLICT
> 1. Personal Names
> a. Difference of Name Phrases - Two name phrases are considered
> significantly different if they differ significantly in sound and
> appearance. Name phrases that are not significantly different are said to be
> equivalent. Variant spellings of the same word or name, no matter how
> radical, are not considered significantly different unless there is also a
> significant difference in pronunciation."
>
> There is a difference, but not a big difference, and I'd tend to think that
> for most purposes both variants are essentially the same name.
>
> HOWEVER, you can make the name conflict without changing the parts she's
> attached to. The Rules for Submissions also says:
>
> "PART V - NAME CONFLICT
> 1. Personal Names
> b. Conflict of Personal Names
> ii. Number of Name Phrases - A personal name containing at most two name
> phrases does not conflict with any personal name containing a different
> number name phrases."
>
> So you could add a locative name at the end and clear the conflict.  How
> about something like:
>
> <A'sa Hrafnsdo'ttir i' Hrafnsfjo:r{dh}>
> (Asa, daughter of Hrafn, from Hrafnsfjord)
>
> That particular place-name is from Landnamabok ch. 35 (see
> http://www.snerpa.is/net/snorri/landnama.htm)
>
> It was very common for people's farms or dwellings to be named for the
> person, so it would be unsurprising for her father to live at a place
> combining the personal name <Hrafn> plus any of several place-suffixes:
>
> Stead: <Hrafnssta{dh}ir>
>
> Farm: <Hrafnsby'r>
>
> Home-place: <Hrafnsto'ft> (this name is specifically listed in Landnamabok
> ch. 90)
>
> Village: <Hrafns{th}orp>
>
> Haven: <Hrafnsho:fn>
>
> Garth: <Hrafnsgar{dh}r> (for example in the name of Master Gerekr
> fja'rsja'ndi Ro:gnvaldsson i' Hrafnsgar{dh}i)
>
> Headland: <Hrafnsnes> (see Magnúss saga Erlingssonar ch. 12,
> http://www.snerpa.is/net/snorri/m-erl.htm)
>
> Field: <Hrafnsvo:llr>
>
> Dale: <Hrafnsdalr>
>
> (All of the above suffixes can be found as placenames formed with various
> personal names in Landnamabok. Also see
> http://www.northvegr.org/lore/landnamabok/033.html for a badly-normalized
> complete list of place-names from Landnamabok.  If you start with this then
> go back to the Old Norse text for the actual Old Norse form of the
> place-name, it can be quite useful.)
>
> See Lindorm Eriksson's "The Bynames of the Viking Age Runic Inscriptions" in
> the section on locatives for construction plus several examples
> http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/lindorm/runicbynames/places.htm#start
>
> ::GUNNVOR::