[ANSTHRLD] House Porto - Household name and badge

doug bell magnus77840 at hotmail.com
Thu May 29 15:22:26 PDT 2003

The road to getting rid of the conflict requires that you document
a GROUP of people pre 1600 in Italy or Portugal who might have
been called (blank) Porto.  You can add the da if needed for
grammar but it doesn't affect the conflict.  The group of
people can't be connected to the ruling nobles of the
Portuguese city.

It may be possible a group of people or a family estate could have
been named after a family elder such as Miguel da Porto.
The problem is you need the research to show examples of
this in Italian or Portuguese.

This requires sources in those languages that would name
groups of people.  Then you need people who can
read Italian and Portuguese.

I have nothing that would be of help with this and
cannot read either language beyond a few words.

The task isn't impossible but the needed research for
registration isn't simple or easy by any means.

hope that clears up things.
orle herald

>I'm not sure that last item (the kamakazi example) is correct.  Magnus
>earlier comment mentioned that House <person's full name> would not be
>passable.  I would think that House <some thing> da (O)Porto would be an
>acceptable pattern.  To offer an example, Guild of Tanners da Porto
>should be an acceptable format as it differentiates the Tanners of one
>place from another.  Of course, that's an occupational guild as opposed
>to a household and the whole thing should be in one language or another,
>not Portuguese and English.  But the format for guilds and households
>are the same for registration purposes, as I understand it.
>Using an inn sign format, I would think that the House of the Cup and
>Phoenix of Oporto would be an acceptable format.  I know that there are
>inn signs that have involved two elements and I know that there are
>period Orders that involve two elements.  By leaving it all in the
>English format (and choose your preferred form of the city name), I
>would think this offers a plausible attempt for registration.

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