[ANSTHRLD] Re:Rostislavich names in the Jan. ILoI

[R C]

 To the best of our knowledge there is no "Dmitrii
Rostislavich" registered. The name on the device
submission was supposed to be Dmitrii syn Dmitrii
Rostislavich, we haven't found out why this was not
listed this way. All the names where sent in about
early Oct. (snail mail must sent them through Russia,
we think thats why it took so long to be recieved) And
the device was submitted at the Heraldry table at
Crown Tourney. We kinda think the brother thing could
be ok, if that does not break any rules, but it is not
set out to be specifically anything. We found that
people can use the same family names without being
directly related, at least this is how it seems. Does
it cause any problems for the rest of us if one of the
submitters has since decided to stop participating in
the S.C.A., and his submission is retuned?


> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:42:57 CST
> From: kobrien at texas.net
> Subject: [ANSTHRLD] Rostislavich names in Jan ILoI
> To: heralds at ansteorra.org
> Message-ID:
> <200402032242.i13Mgvb06500 at mail2.aus1.texas.net>
> 
> Greetings, Tarasii!
> 
> >  I am Tarasii Rostislavich and the Dmitrii that
> put in
> > a device (list #5) is the same as the one putting
> in
> > the name (list #6), just a double listing. I did
> not
> > have axcess to the 3rd edition of Wickenden when
> we
> > checked the names so some of the problems you
> listed I
> > did not know about.None of the people submitting
> are
> > claiming to be this Dmitrii's children either.I
> will
> > get with them and talk about these changes.
>  
> 
> >From the way it was listed on the LoI, it looked
> like there were 5 people whose 
> names were submitted:
> 
> > > 5) Dmitrii Rostislavich
> > > 6) Dmitrii syn Dmitrii Rostislavich
> > > 25) Tarasii syn Dmitrii Rostislavich 
> > > 26) Upyr’ syn Dmitrii Rostislavich 
> > > 27) Vladimir syn Dmitrii Rostislavich 
> 
> Which would make # 5 the father of the other 4
> (Dmitrii, Tarasii, Upyr', and 
> Vladimir).
> 
> If #5 and #6 were for the same person, was his name
> supposed to be "Dmitrii syn 
> Dmitrii Rostislavich"?  If so, then these names
> (with the grammatical 
> corrections noted by Magnus) would indicate that
> Dmitrii, Tarasii, Upyr', and 
> Vladimir are all brothers (sons of a guy named
> "Dmitrii Rostislavich").  But, 
> if the name of the father (Dmitrii Rostislavich) is
> not registered at the time 
> these come up for registration, then the issue of
> whether there is presumption 
> goes away.
> 
> This list is a great resource and folks are very
> willing to help out.  Thanks 
> for jumping up and clarifying that #5 and #6 on the
> ILoI are the same person.  
> Any info you can give on what the group of you want
> your names to indicate will 
> be a big help to the folks here when they research
> and comment on these names.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Mari

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