[ANSTHRLD] FW: Devise in progress: William Black Dragon (Ironwyrm)

[Brent.Ryder at compucom.com]

Howdy,
 
Please read the following and see if there is something in the way of a
plausible name based on the given info. The user is  trying to work with
us and I am in hopes we can work something out for him.
 
Let me know what you come up with
 
Borek
Bordure


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	From: ironwyrm at juno.com [mailto:ironwyrm at juno.com] 
	Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 6:09 PM
	To: Ryder, Brent (bryder)
	Cc: Ryder, Brent (bryder)
	Subject: Re: Devise in progress: William Black Dragon (Ironwyrm)
	
	
	 
	On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:38:13 -0600 <Brent.Ryder at compucom.com>
writes:
	> > >I have started working on my devise & badge submission
again, 
	> using
	> > >a suggestion of Rumil's, taking a name and canting the
devise to
	> > >reflect it as that name visibly from a 100 yards away.
	> 
	> Good to hear :)
	 
	Yeah, no more pouting about it, let's just get it done!
	> 
	> > >Canting Ironwyrm:  The color of iron (black) and a wyrm 
	> (dragon),
	> > >descriptively making a "black dragon" or "iron wyrm" as the

	> visual.
	> 
	> So you are going to register William (Uillam?) Black Dragon
for 
	> your
	> name? The only registration I found so far was for a 'Black
Dragon
	> Herald' in another kingdom. 
	 
	Haven't thought of that!?!  I'm having a great deal of 
	trouble finding any type of last name for those lower than 
	high born in late eleventh, early twelfth century Britain.  
	Saxons were adopting Norman names to avoid oppression.  
	Anyone from the army rank of Sergeant, middle class, or 
	below seldom seems have last names other than descriptive, 
	occupational, locational or nicknames.  Such as "Stephen de 
	Bulmer", "Robert son of Leonard", "William fitz Alan", "John 
	the Cook", "Orderic the Smith", "Godric of Finchale", "William 
	of Malmesbury", "Roger God-save-the-Ladies", and of 
	course how could we not mention "Roland the Farter" a jester 
	of some dubious renown.  
	 
	All seem Influenced by Norman, Anglo Saxon/Scandinavian, 
	Flemish, French and the occasional Welsh background.
	 
	William is not hard to document as common and popular
	name around that period (example - "When Henry the 
	young King held court in Normandy at Christmas 1171 
	the guests supposedly included 110 knights named 'William'.  
	They got together in one room and refused to let anyone 
	in to eat with them unless they were called 'William'").
	 
	(The original idea behind "Ironwyrm" was a nickname used 
	to differ from all the other Williams.  Planned persona being an

	early upper-middle class merchant/alchemist/artillerist 
	experimenting with and trying to sale the idea of primitive
black 
	powder artillery to the Crowns of Europe (first recorded use of 
	such during a siege in France 1243).  
	 
	Current working persona is high born/upper middle Norman/
	Brittany mix, raised western England late eleventh century, 
	relocated to Norman held Sicily, campaigned against Moors as 
	arbalist/archer commander & siege engineer, turned merchant 
	early in twelfth century.
	 
	As for the name, I am not as dead set on "Ironwyrm" as I was,
and 
	have accepted that it will only be a nickname much as in period.

	I would be willing to just register "William" and let it go at
that, 
	but that doesn't work for the SCA.  So what I am interested in 
	doing is getting my devise and badge registered and that
requires 
	an SCA name.  I understand that a "holding name" may be used 
	to register a devise & badge, if so I would like to do that
should 
	the next name submission be rejected.
	 
	As a "holding name" I would be open to: 
	 
	"William" - "Wyrm"(but not Worm), "Iron", or any variation of 
	archery, hunting, woodlands, or location in western England such
as
	(the or of) "Archer", "Bowman", "Arbalist", "Huntsman",
"Forester", 
	"Tracker", "Greenwood", "Briars", "Brambles', "Thicket",
"Essex",
	"Rutland", "Huntingdon", "Pickering", "Yorkshire", or
"Nottingham".
	I'd even be willing to accept "William the Farter" if they will
accept
	it as a "holding name".
	 
	As SCA name I would still wish "William Ironwyrm", but with 
	no documentable examples I see little hope of that happening.
	 
	The last possibility discussed with me was submitting as:
	 
	"William Iron Wyrm' (no changes) 
	 
	But if you have a documentable "Black Dragon" I would
	be open to submitting as:
	 
	"William Black Dragon" in any variation of old English, 
	Latin, French, Scandinavian, or Flemish that might work.
	 
	I'm so bad at onomastics that I cannot 
	> tell
	> you if this is a viable name construction or not.
	
	Don't know myself, nor would I have any Idea whom to ask?
	> 
	> OK, blazon fu, "Argent, a dragon couchant, wings elevated and 
	> addorsed,
	> and a chief rayonny sable."
	
	Thank's, that will help a lot!
	> 
	> Did a conflict check and did not find a conflict which I found
a 
	> bit
	> surprising. There are actually very few devices with a 'dragon

	> couchant'
	> at all.
	 
	Good, that's what I was shooting for!
	> 
	> Let me know how I can help from here
	 
	Just let me know what you think about the "holding name" 
	idea when you get time and if that will work I'll pick something

	& restart the paperwork!
	 
	Thanks for your assistance!
	 
	Ironwyrm 
	
	 

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