[ANSTHRLD] Device resub questions - Lete Bithespring - long email - much copying from LoAR and AG
Tim McDaniel
tmcd at panix.com
Tue Feb 10 20:56:17 PST 2004
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 Brent.Ryder at compucom.com <heralds at ansteorra.org> wrote:
> The second I am not so sure about. There have been a number of
> recent ruling on 'pretense' and more to the point 'escutcheons of
> pretense' so I am not sure if there is a problem with it still or
> not.
Not sure what's unclear. 6/01 cover letter:
XI.4. Arms of Pretense and Augmentations of Honor - Armory that uses
charges in such a way as to appear to be arms of pretense or an
unearned augmentation of honor is considered presumptuous
Period and modern heraldic practice asserts a claim to land or
property by surmounting an individual's usual armory with a
display of armory associated with that claim. Such arms of
pretense are placed on an escutcheon. Similarly, an augmentation
of honor often, though not necessarily, takes the form of an
independent coat placed on an escutcheon or canton. Generally,
therefore, a canton or a single escutcheon may only be used if it
is both uncharged and of a single tincture. For example, Argent,
a fess gules surmounted by an escutcheon sable charged with a
roundel argent has the appearance of being arms of pretense or an
augmentation. Or, in saltire five escutcheons sable each charged
with three roundels argent does not have this appearance, as it
has multiple escutcheons, as so is acceptable. The exception to
the restrictions of this rule is when the submitter is entitled to
an augmentation as described in RfS VIII.7. Augmentations of
Honor.
The old ruling added "other geometric charges such as roundels,
cartouches, etc.", so roundels should now be fine.
10/03, for example:
Gwineth Llynllwyd. Device. Gules, on a lozenge Or a catamount
rampant sable.
... Note that a lozenge charged with a single charge does not
violate RfS XI.4, "Arms of Pretense and Augmentations of Honor".
As noted in the August 2001 LoAR, "[on a lozenge argent a fleur-
de-lys gules] As per the rules change in the cover letter to the
June 2001 LoAR, the fact that the charged shape is not an
escutcheon means that this is not an inescutcheon of pretense.
An inescutcheon charged with a single charge also avoids the
appearance of an inescutcheon of pretense. While this armory is
evocative of the city of Florence, whose arms are Argent, a
fleur-de-lys gules, it is acceptable." This armory similarly
does not appear to display an inescutcheon of pretense of
Flanders, Or a lion rampant sable.
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