[ANSTHRLD] Conflict check request - Marcus

[Blaise de Cormeilles]

On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 03:18:29PM -0500, Brent Ryder wrote:
> Howdy all,
> 
> I have consulted the submitter and he is willing to change to 'Pily bendy 
> sable and Or, a chalice argent' Which is a change of half the field from 
> gules to Or.
> 
> I have found many close calls with only tertiaries charged on the 'cup' 
> along with the usual removal of co-primary, secondaries, bordures and other 
> peripheral charges. There is only one registration of this particular field 
> in the most current online O&A and that registration is field only.
> 
> The one I am afraid will conflict is:
> 
> Giles MacManus, "Per bend sinister sable and gules, a tankard argent"
> 
> With only one CD for the field assuming a cup is a cup is a cup...
> 
> I would say there is sufficient difference between a tankard and a chalice 
> to warrant a second CD. Anyone know precedents on this?

>From the 9/95 LOAR:
Brigid O'Farrell of Beckery. Device. Gules, a tankard between flaunches
argent each charged with a musical note sable.

Versus Cathryn of the Dark Glen, Gules, a chalice between flaunches,
each flaunch charged with a sprig proper, there is one CD for the
multiple changes to tertiaries and another for the very visible
difference between a tankard and a chalice with its long stem and unique
outline.
[end quote]

A November 2001 registration to Elizabeth of Misty Highlands through
AEthelmearc noted in commentary that this precedent still stood, but the
LOAR merely registered the armory without comment about that topic.

Blaise
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