[ANSTHRLD] Star weighs in...
Bill Butler
chemistbb3 at yahoo.com
Mon Sep 13 20:47:56 PDT 2004
Let me throw in 2 coppers more on the Optio please.
Could it be possible, since it looks like there is
going to need to be a rework of some sort on the name,
to set the award up to be an armigious award to those
areas covered by the Marshalate? Something structured
like a Thistle? If I remember, someone else came up
with that idea in an earlier posting. That way you
would get the "(award name goes here) for (pick
one)Chilvarlic/Rapier/Esquestrian/Archery/Thrown
Weapons".
I realize that it has more or less been "announced" as
a chiv award, but this could put a stop to a flurry of
AoA level awards for all the "fighting" groups.
William
--- "Etienne de St. Amaranth" <star at ansteorra.org>
wrote:
> Other than answering a few technical points, I've
> mostly remained quiet
> during this conversation of the new award, awards in
> general, Crown's
> actions (real, imagined, other), the awards
> structure, and people's
> feelings. I firmly believe that when people are
> passionate about
> something, it is because they care. This
> discussion, and its offshoots,
> did not degenerate into any personal attacks and the
> few "tirades" were
> about systems, procedures, or opinions of the way
> things ought to be (in
> different opinions).
>
> I sat this out mostly waiting for something I knew
> would come because I
> know most of you and I knew it was inevitable.
> After the emotion, heralds
> (on this list anyway) would start asking questions
> and heralds would start
> offering suggestions or educational tidbits. I'm
> really proud of the
> heralds and scribes of this kingdom because you took
> a lot less time to get
> there than most lists I've seen explode. Now comes
> the hard part; we have
> to take what occured, and we have to look at the
> suggestions and the ideas,
> and we have to make a plan and implement it.
>
> For starters, I have asked a couple of heralds to
> work with me offlist on
> the naming of the Optio award. As soon as we have
> come up with a workable,
> potentially registerable idea then we will post it
> for comment. We will
> probably be involving others as we identify and need
> expertise. Be on the
> watch.
>
> Next, the list can conflict check the badge for this
> award. It has been
> conflict checked before but we all know that it
> takes more than one set of
> eyes. The blazon is: Or, an eagle's leg erased à
> la quise within a
> bordure embattled gules.
>
> Countess Sara's suggestion of a document for the
> Crown on what they need to
> know about heraldry and the college in the SCA is
> one near to my heart. I
> had even discussed with our current Zodiacus (when I
> interviewed her) about
> my perception of the need for a class or at least a
> Q&A session about this
> type of issue. A document which could lead to the
> new Crown asking for a
> Q&A session might be even better. So, I am asking
> if there is a person on
> the list who would be interested in collecting the
> topics that the list
> might suggest which need to be communicated; perhaps
> a TopTen (or Twelve)
> list of critical need to knows or most common
> problems (from the heralds'
> perspective). I don't need a whole write-up at this
> point, just a person
> willing to be a collector of topics; we'll add the
> write-ups
> later. Volunteers?
>
> Master Robin and Mistress Serena have not simply
> alluded, rather they have
> very clearly stated, that there is a defined
> structure to the Ansteorran
> awards system that is critical to how it works. I'd
> like to get that
> documented. Not the entire tome it would take to
> explain it, the why of
> it, and the history that resulted in it; what I am
> looking for is the
> executive summary that would appear at the beginning
> of such a tome and
> would likely conclude with something like: "This is
> the system. To
> understand the whys, and the history, is a task not
> unlike the passing on
> of a vocal tradition and history like the
> pre-written history of
> Ireland. This document should raise questions;
> those questions are best
> answered by having a conversation with the heralds
> who know the history and
> who can provide the color to the black and white of
> the system itself. To
> reach one of these heralds, contact your principal
> herald who can point you
> in their direction (and likely participate)." I
> know Mistress Serena's
> workload in the college right now and Master Robin
> has other things on his
> plate. But, first shot at producing a summary
> document needs to be
> theirs. I'll talk to them about this offlist since
> reading this will be
> the first they have heard of it.
>
> Some other awards updates, since we are on the
> topic. The Order of the
> Golden Lance is out of kingdom and in commentary at
> the Laurel level. The
> Arcus Majoris (which was its own thread awhile back)
> has a very possible
> solution now and I will be meeting with the circle
> very soon to verify that
> this solution is acceptable and to implement it.
> Yes, once I have talked
> to the circle then I will be bringing that solution
> back to this list for
> commentary. Including the Optio, these three should
> be the last three not
> complete in their registration process. We are
> close.
>
> Lastly, I will repeat a few things I said near the
> beginning of this thread
> on Sept. 7, 2004. "Their Majesties approached the
> principal herald prior
> to their coronation to discuss this [award].... The
> real advantage to what
> this Crown has done is that, while they strove for
> secrecy, They did
> consult with their principal herald ahead of time
> and They have broken the
> secret early enough in Their reign to personally
> amend or modify anything
> needed for registration or the constitution. More
> importantly, while They
> strove to keep this a secret until it was unveiled,
> Their Majesties want
> this to be correct heraldically and have actively
> involved the principal
> herald and They are willing to do what is needed to
> achieve
> registration." While some might challenge the need
> or reason for the
> secrecy, the Crown wanted it and that was the fact
> of it. But, TRM have
> done what has been done with the deliberate intent
> of getting this resolved
> and registered and with the knowledge that some
> adjustment might have to
> happen. That is a large step away from the fears I
> heard earlier last week
> of theoretical Crowns who simply act with prior
> consult, and leave the
> situation to be dealt with by others. It may not be
> everyone's version of
> utopian award creation (if such exists short of
> Glenn Abhann and you like
> their solution) but I'll take it over the purgatory
> of the fears expressed
> last week.
>
> I now return you to your regularly scheduled list
> and hope that until more
> substantive material is posted (like a name
> submission for comment or a
> conflict check) that this topic can rest for a bit.
> But not too long... we
> have work to do.
>
> Sincerely,
> Seigneur Etienne
> Star Principal Herald
>
>
>
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