[ANSTHRLD] Sable Dragon

Paul E. Kiefer, Jr. rapierman at yahoo.com
Fri Feb 4 14:52:42 PST 2005

--- Christie Ward <val_org at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Seamus said:
> >I will say that from a court heralds point of view that I very much
> >like the Sable Dragon.... It does not denote a type of fighting and
> it
> >is very broad and awe inspiring.....
> Unfortunately, if you go to the SCA ordinary and look at sable
> dragons, 
> there are 103 registrations that use black dragons:
> Dragons are very much an SCA armory cliché and, as I understand it, 
> four-legged dragons do not appear in English heraldry until the late
> 16th 
> century and I think are fairly late elsewhere also.  Wyverns
> (two-legged 
> dragons) were used in English heraldry from the early 14th century,
> but 
> they're folded into the sable dragons above and are likewise heavily
> used.
> I suspect that trying to come up with a badge using a sable dragon
> would be 
> a challenge.

Cliche' it may be, but it works.  The closest to "(Fieldless) A dragon
sable" was still 2 CDs away.  Additionally, how many other objects do
you know that would represent the Ansteorran fighting spirit and still
be generic enough to appeal to all martial disciplines?

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