[ANSTHRLD] Shires and Thank Yous

Joseph Percer jpercer at gmail.com
Sun Nov 13 11:06:52 PST 2005

I would wager those stem from the days when Gate's Edge was part of
Stargate. However, I couldn't say for sure. Star, if you're out there, can
you weigh in on this?





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From: heralds-bounces+jpercer=gmail.com at ansteorra.org
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Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 10:37 AM
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Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Shires and Thank Yous




I'm a little confused then.  The Shire of Gate's Edge has 2 orders, the
Guardians of the Gate (given for serice to the Shire) and the Bella Luce
(given for A&S service and abilities).  They are both non-armigerous.  The
Guardian was created many years ago when Gate's Edge was just a Canton.  


It sounds like the order Prudence is talking about would be exactly like the
Guardian of the Gate award that we give out.  If it's not please explain the
difference.  I read her question and thought immediatly of the Guardian.  


In Service to the Dream,
Lady Elizabeta Maria dei Medici
Maria Buchanan
Official Worrier of House Starfire
Hospitaler - Barony of the Stargate
Hospitaler - Shire of Gate's Edge
In the Stellar Kingdom of Ansteorra

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From: Mike C. Baker / <mailto:kihebard at hotmail.com>  Kihe Blackeagle 

To: Heralds List, <mailto:heralds at ansteorra.org>  Kingdom of Ansteorra -

Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 1:06 AM

Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Shires and Thank Yous


You've got it exactly and precisely so, Prudence.  <f/x: waving "Hi!" -
we've met in Robin of Gilwell's living room...>  

In fact, I, and through me the Shire of Moonschadowe, got slapped reasonably
gently for trying to institute something similar [MUMBLE] years ago...


That being said, THERE ARE OTHER WAYS!  

(A) Write award recommendations and submit them *as individuals* (at least
at first) to the appropriate authorities:  the Crown, regional superiors,
Kingdom superiors.

(B) Give wordfame in meetings, at events attended, etc.  (B-Plus)
Memorialize their efforts / achievements in poem, tune, tale and get same
distributed "appropriately"

(C) As a collection of individuals, separate from existence as branch
officers and NOT using branch funds, give the individual it is desired to
honor a nifty neat narfgobbler or batwangler or other whatsit -- accompanied
by appropriate flowery words, which it is possible to render in the form of
a scroll... 


Distinction is that if the people of the shire do (B) or (C) nothing
immediately gets reflected in the Order of Precedence.  Enough people going
through (A), the recommendation process over time builds a reputation beyond
the immediate group, and the cumulative effect is recognition by the
appropriate precedence-carrying (or specifically NON-precedence-carrying)
award.  (The Lion of Ansteorra technically carries no precedence in the
Order of Precedence, does not confer an AoA if the recipient doesn't already
have one, etc.  [paraphrasing Robin of Gilwell, current Oakenwald Purs.:] It
is therefore among the most coveted actively-given awards in the Kingdom of
Ansteorra, and is recognized throughout most of the Known World as being
terribly and wonderfully important.)


Adieu, Amra / ttfn - Mike / Pax ... Kihe 

Mike C. Baker
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----- Original Message ----- 

From: prudencecurious at netscape.net 

To: heralds at ansteorra.org 

Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 10:07 PM

Subject: [ANSTHRLD] Shires and Thank Yous


Greetings all,


I want to double check some information.  


At my last shire meeting, they talked about creating an award of some sort
to thank people for their good deeds, something far short of an AOA.


Now, from my experience in the East Kingdom, this is NOT DONE.  (My shire
back East got slapped six ways to Thursday for giving out a thank you.)  In
no uncertain terms we were informed that shires cannot give out awards or
orders, that is reserved for the Crown and Baronies; and if we want to give
out awards, we better become a barony.  It was highly recommended to my old
shire that it does absolute nothing that even has the APPEARANCE of an award
or order.


I toned this down a lot and said it in the business meeting for my new
shire; it was my first official meeting as acting herald and I hope I
imparted correct information. That is: "a shire cannot give out awards or
orders, that is reserved for the Crown and Baronies."  Is this correct in


Ever a Servant,


Lady Prudence the Curious

Acting Herald of the Shire of Emerald Keep


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