[ANSTHRLD] Question on what is proper

[tmcd at panix.com]

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, J. Ziegler <shauna at bresnan.net> wrote:
> Alasdair MacEogan wrote:
>>I was wondering if there was a collected list on charges and how
>>they are colored when termed proper.

Someone else pointed to the CoA Glossary of Terms.  That also has
a lot of default postures.  The Pic Dic has a lot of information,
though not necessarily definitive.

>> My current question, if someone is inclined to answer, is regarding
>> oak trees proper.  I know the coloration is green for the leaves
>> and brown for the trunk, but are oak trees fructed by default or
>> does that need to be specifically specified.

The Pic Dic, s.v. Tree, says

    If the tree is "fructed", it is bearing fruit, whose color must be
    specified; the fructing may also be considered artistic license,
    and added to a tree whether blazoned so or not.  In heraldic art,
    the leaves and fruit are drawn much larger than in naturalistic
    art.

The oak they provide, 746, is in fact fructed without mentioning it in
the text.

>> Alright, since I am here and already asking questions, does anyone
>> know specifically what the difference would be in drawing a
>> "English oak [Quercus Robur]" or at this point (device was
>> registered in 1976) should I not even be concerned about it.

In summary, I suggest just doing a regular oak (not a gnarled live
oak).  It's the default for trees anyway.  And fruct it or not as you
like: I like fructing, so I'd ask the artist to toss a few honkin' big
acorns on.  (Think of the Acorn that old Black Oak Keep got, but
bigger.)

>> I, unfortunately, do not have access to the original emblazon to
>> look at as I would actually like.
>
> On the last one, if you provide the name, I can probably send you a
> scan of the emblazon privately - the early stuff is all archived and
> I have access to that archive.

Steppes, Barony of the, coat of arms.  (I knew it off the top of my
head because I once was the baronial pursuivant and I know that the
arms blazon was over-specific.)  SCA groups are not on the scanned
archive CDs, or I'd have sent it too.

I'm curious about whether the registered emblazon is fructed.

Danet de Lincoln
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