[ANSTHRLD] Permission to Conflict Question
tmcd at panix.com
tmcd at panix.com
Fri Jun 9 14:51:38 PDT 2006
On Fri, 9 Jun 2006, Alasdair MacEogan <alasdair at bmhanson.net> wrote:
> Steve K. Rourke wrote:
> > He conflicts with two people both of which are because of the
> > tertiary charge. Is he going to have to get a letter from both of
> > the people he conflicts with or just the original registered
> > device owner?
>
> 2 devices have 2 owners and he would need a letter from both.
Exactly. (To be more precise: one letter from each.) Wording can be
found in College of Arms Administrative Handbook, Appendix D -
Suggested Standard Form Letters. I provide it below.
> I am not sure what you mean by original registered device
> owner.
I assume he means the earlier one registered.
> I would guess by your question that one had gottena letter of
> permission to conflict with the other
Well, such a situation could also arise if
- the first one was registered by X
and
- the second one was a joint badge with Y as the primary owner and X
as the secondary owner: we assume that a person gives permission to
conflict with himself
Or X originally registered both and transferred the second to Y.
Or X died and left a heraldic will (also in Appendix D) bequeathing
the second item, but not the first, to Y.
But Y getting a letter of permission to conflict with X is by far more
likely.
> but I do not believe that matters in this case.
Indeed it does not. The suggested standard letter of permission reads
I, [Name], known in the SCA as [Society name] give [Name of
submitter], known in the SCA as [Society name of submitter]
permission for [his/her] armory "[Blazon of submission]" to look
similar to, but not identical to, my armory, "[Blazon of
registered armory]". I understand that this permission cannot be
withdrawn once [name of submitter]'s armory is registered.
[Date] [Signature of [Name]]
Note that it specifies
- X, the owner of the registered item
- Y, the new submitter
- X's registered armory
- Y's proposed armory
and that permission applies to them only.
(Side note: the suggested text specifies armory. You can use it for a
name by just changing the text to refer to that name instead of some
armory.)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
It is now possible to give blanket permission to conflict with an
item. That's the next item down:
* Blanket Permission to Conflict
I, [Name], known in the SCA as [Society name] waive the full
protection of my registered (name "[Registered name]"|armory
"[Blazon of registered armory]"). I grant permission to any future
submitter to register a (name|armory) that is (not identical to|at
least one countable step different from) my registered
(name|armory). I understand that this permission can be withdrawn
by written notice to the Laurel Sovereign of Arms, but that
conflicting items registered while it is in force will remain
registered.
[Date] [Signature of [Name]]
That specifies
- X, the owner of the registered item
- X's specific registered item
But it does not specify any particular recipient. But items with
blanket permission are tagged as such in the Armorial. For example,
Daniel de Lincoln|9203M|N||(Blanket permission to conflict granted 0501)
Blanket permissions are still rare, though I would like to encourage
people to consider them.
Daniel Lincolinum
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Tim McDaniel; Reply-To: tmcd at panix.com
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