[ANSTHRLD] A question about Charles Bardsley's _A Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames_

[Luciana Caterina di Boniface]

Gotcha. I will go and dig through the book again, and get a possible name
submission put together for the client.

Thank you!
Luciana


On 10/2/06, kobrien at texas.net <kobrien at texas.net> wrote:
>
> Quoting Luciana Caterina di Boniface <dolce.luce at gmail.com>:
>
> > I had a client looking through the book and I was asked the question I
> > have
> > been asking myself since first getting the book - How do you know which
> > names are Welsh, and which names are English?
>
> All of the name citations in this source are from English (or Latin)
> language
> records.  In his discussions of the names, he sometimes cites etymology
> for
> the name including what Welsh name it derived from or other similar
> information.
>
>
>
> > I confess, I had to tell her that I did not know, but that I would find
> > out.
> > To give specifics on the desired name, it is <Vyvyan (pg. 51) Amary (pg.
> > 657) Rowntree (pg. 785)>. I jotted down the page numbers when she showed
> > me
> > the specific pages, but I am looking back and am now questioning that pg
> > 51 for <Vyvyan>.
>
> Bardsley lists full names.  For example, Bardsley lists, under the header
> Peregrine:
>
> Peregrinus Bernard
>
> dated to 1273. This entry could be used to document <Peregrinus> as a
> given
> name or <Bernard> as a byname.
>
> This is a good example of why just a page number or just a header name is
> not
> real useful in documentation.  We need to know what page 51 says about
> <Vyvyan>, etc.  My bet is that the entry on p. 51 has <Vyvyan> as a given
> name and the entry is discussing the byname in that entry.  However, I
> seem
> to recall that <Vivian> was a masculine name in period.  Checking
> Withycombe,
> or even an entry in Bardsley or Reaney & Wilson (header something like
> Vivian) would probably tell us if I'm remembering correctly.  If so, that
> is
> probably something the submitter would want to know.
>
> Then the question comes up of whether the name elements all date to
> similar
> time periods and whether they can be combined to form a period or
> registerable name.
>
> Also, the full text of the cited name can give us an idea of the language
> of
> the original record.  For example, in the example I use above, given that
> the
> date is 1273 and the Latin ending of <-us> on <Peregrinus> the original
> record is almost certainly Latin or a mostly-Latinized English record.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Mari
>
>
>
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