[ANSTHRLD] the name Willow WAS: temporal restrictions

[kobrien at texas.net]

Since it's Searle, the language is going to be Old English and/or Latin from 
the Old English period.

Also, if I remember correctly (and you'll want to check this when you pull 
the cite), <Wilo> and <Willo> are masculine given names.  This may be of 
interest to the submitter.

I'm assuming this is for the submitter who wanted <Willow> with some form of 
MacMurray - per the thread in the last week.

If so, it's important to note that mixing Scots with Old English is not 
registerable.  Same for Anglicized Irish with Old English.

However, Old English with Gaelic of a similar time period is registerable 
with one Step From Period Practice (old term = "weirdness").

Here's the ruling for that:

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This name combines an Irish Gaelic given name dated from the 8th to 11th C 
with an Old English byname. Olof von Feilitzen, The pre-Conquest Personal 
names of the Domesday Book [sic], p. 30, says of Irish names that appear in 
the Domesday book: 
The Irish names, which were introduced in the 10th and 11th centuries by 
celticized Norwegians from Ireland and the Isle of Man, are with very few 
exceptions (Ch, L; Sa?) not found outside of Yorkshire.

Some of the given names in the Domesday Book that he identifies as referring 
to Irish names are: Fyach (p. 251 s.n. Fíacc), Gilemicel and Ghilemicel (p. 
261 s.n. Gillemicel), Gilepatric and Ghilepatric (p. 261 Gillepatric), and 
Melmidoc (p. 323 s.n. Maelmaedhog). It is important to note that these forms 
are not Gaelic spellings, but Old English renderings of Gaelic names. Given 
these examples, mixing Gaelic and Old English in a name is registerable, 
though there is a weirdness for mixing the orthographies of Old English and 
Gaelic. [Eithne of Cantwaraburg, 08/2002, A-East]

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so, depending on the dates Searle gives for <Wilo> & <Willo>, something 
should be registerable, though not authentic.

I can't remember if the client wanted the byname based off <Muiredach> or 
<Muirchertach>, so I'll include spellings for both here.

Registerable forms may be something close to:

Wilo mac Muiredaig
Willo mac Muiredaig
Wilo mac Muirchertaig
Willo mac Muirchertaig

It will all depend on what the entry in Searle says.

Docs for the byname spellings can be found at:

http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Muiredach.shtml

http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Muirchertach.shtml

Hope this helps,

Mari
> OMG you have no Idea...
> 
> Do you have that citation handy?  Can you please help me out here with the
> bibliographic info etc.?  I do not have that book in my barony's library.
> 
> Hedwig (the ever hunting)
> 
> 
> On 4/5/07, Luciana Caterina di Borghese <dolce.luce at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I dunno if this will help or not, BUT......Searle's Onomasticon has
> > both <Willo> and <Wilo> on pg 498. I know that Searle is not always
> > considered to be the top authority on Old English, but the book 'is' on
> > the
> > no-photocopy-needed list.
> >
> > Hope that helps,
> >
> > Luciana
> >
> > On 4/5/07, Hedwig <honeyfrog at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > OK...I have also been precedent diving for the name Willow and have
> > found
> > > nothing on it definitively as a first name from ANY Culture.  I have
> > spent
> > > long hours looking at St Gabe's too.  Can anyone direct me toward
> > > information on this?  Please?  I'm trying here :-)
> > >
> > > Hedwig the Desperate